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Londonistan No More - A new Finest Hour?
National Review ^ | July 07, 2005, 3:20 p.m. | By John F. Cullinan

Posted on 07/07/2005 11:01:49 PM PDT by joinedafterattack

"A 2002 Daily Telegraph poll found that "one in five British Muslims feels little loyalty towards Britain." As for Osama bin Laden, the same poll found that 13 percent regarded his attacks against Western targets as justified, 11 percent had no opinion one way or the other, and 26 percent denied bin Laden's responsibility."

As London copes with the aftermath of Thursday morning's terrorist bombings — and braces for the possibility of fresh attacks — some sobering thoughts on causes and effects come immediately to mind.

After the Madrid bombings in March 2004, London's senior police official revealed that British security services had thwarted several major terrorist attacks targeted against London. But he grimly acknowledged that "there is an inevitability that some sort of attack will get through." "This is not just about the railways, the underground," he added with eerie prescience. "It's about buses, roads, pubs, nightclubs and the like."

Target Choice Britain's special relationship with the United States — broadened and deepened since the 9/11 attacks and its shoulder-to-shoulder collaboration in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq — certainly makes the British capital a prime target for jihadists. But there are deeper causes at work, beginning with the long-time status of "Londonistan" (see here and here) as the principal mecca for various Middle East exile groups that were allowed to set up shop on condition that their activities remain focused elsewhere. Among their ranks is the extremist Egyptian cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri, whose trial for incitement to murder and other terrorist offenses began this week.

A less openly acknowledged cause for concern is deep disaffection among portions of Britain's Muslim population (about 2 million of 60 million Britons). A 2002 Daily Telegraph poll found that "one in five British Muslims feels little loyalty towards Britain." As for Osama bin Laden, the same poll found that 13 percent regarded his attacks against Western targets as justified, 11 percent had no opinion one way or the other, and 26 percent denied bin Laden's responsibility. It is from this particular subgroup that nearly all of Britain's homegrown terrorist suspects have emerged, including the group arrested last August and charged with plotting attacks in London as well as in New York, Newark, and Washington.

Also relevant is the Labor government's equivocal and inadequate responses to the patent threat of Islamist terror. To take just one example, the British governing class has tied itself in knots over the fate of eleven foreign nationals detained without charges as "terrorists" engaged in "international terrorism" under the Anti-Terrorist, Crime and Security Act of 2000. It was a classic Catch-22 without any possibility of (a) prosecution under British law (without exposing intelligence sources and methods in open court); (b) deportation to the suspects' home countries under applicable European and international law (given "substantial grounds" for believing torture might ensue); or (c) deportation to third countries, with none willing to accommodate these individuals.

Britain rightly sought to justify the unsatisfactory expedient of detention without charges for this handful of manifestly dangerous men by opting out of the relevant provisions of the 1950 European Convention on Human Rights, which the Blair administration unwisely incorporated into domestic law in 1998. That convention expressly permits suspension of certain rights "in time of war or other public emergency threatening the life of the nation."

Last December Britain's highest court ruled these detentions — which the liberal chattering classes had likened to Guantanamo — incompatible with the ECHR and therefore invalid. According to one of the judges, "Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al Qaeda.... The real threat to the life of the nation, in the sense of a people living in accordance with its traditional laws and political values, comes not from terrorism but from laws such as these."

So far Lord Hoffman, author of these irresponsible and insouciant remarks, has not been heard from in the wake of this morning's murderous attacks.

How will Britain respond? Initial commentary has focused on Britain's Finest Hour, the stalwart response to the Luftwaffe Blitz. But a more relevant precedent may be the reaction to the 1974 Birmingham pub bombings (21 killed, 182 wounded), when the Irish Troubles first spilled over onto the British mainland. Parliament responded almost instantly with the draconian Prevention of Terrorism Act, which set a modern record for enactment within 48 hours of its initial introduction.

Look for Tony Blair to sever the Gordian knot manufactured by Britain's Law Lords and to take the fight to the enemy. Britain is not Spain, which responded to the Madrid attacks with surrender and appeasement. Last week Britain celebrated the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar, which turned the tide against Napoleon's totalitarian project. It is to be hoped that Blair will rise to level of Nelson's exhortation that "England expects that every man will do his duty."

— John F. Cullinan formerly served as a senior foreign policy advisor to the U.S. Catholic bishops, focusing on international law, human rights, and the use of force.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: london; londonattack
London has allowed these extremist a haven up until now.
1 posted on 07/07/2005 11:01:49 PM PDT by joinedafterattack
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To: joinedafterattack

Methinks our good friends the Brits might want to reconsider their asylum and citizenship laws -- before it is too late.


2 posted on 07/07/2005 11:26:23 PM PDT by Ronin (When the fox gnaws.... SMILE!!!)
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To: joinedafterattack

Time for all of us to not let them in and start kicking them out.


3 posted on 07/07/2005 11:28:19 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: AliVeritas

I have a friend here in America who thinks all the Mosques should be closed down. I'm starting to think he is right.


4 posted on 07/07/2005 11:53:32 PM PDT by beyond the sea (No more legitimate hearing room ever again, Conyers......... to the broom closet ! ;-))
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To: Ronin
"Methinks our good friends the Brits might want to reconsider their asylum and citizenship laws -- before it is too late."

I for one, am sick of this splitting hairs and dancing on the head of a pin sh!t over here. We are at war, and there is a domestic Islamist copperhead enemy within.

It is time to call a spade a spade, and a traitor a traitor.

The democrats have a long tradition of copperhead fifth column activities dating back to the American civil war. The freaks did a repeat during the Vietnam war for the commies, now they are running true to form as Islamist copperheads.

I am a proud redneck southerner, but a copperhead was, and is, a traitor working to harm their country and benefit the enemy.
5 posted on 07/07/2005 11:55:23 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: beyond the sea

Don't the Muslims rank their holy sites? As in, Mecca is the holiest site, x-and-so is the second most holy site, y-and-so is the holiest site in country z, etc., etc.

We should make a list of the Top 10, then starting with number 10 vaporize one after each terror attack. I think the war on terror would be over before we'd have to nuke Mecca.


6 posted on 07/08/2005 12:02:58 AM PDT by Stat Man
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To: Stat Man

FANTASTIC IDEA!!! Immediate gratification.


7 posted on 07/08/2005 12:08:29 AM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: Stat Man
Don't the Muslims rank their holy sites? As in, Mecca is the holiest site, x-and-so is the second most holy site, y-and-so is the holiest site in country z, etc., etc.

Actually, we rank our sites too. New York and London are number 1 and number 2.

The muslims did their best on New York and London, now we should do our best on Mecca and Medina. Give them 'what for'.

8 posted on 07/08/2005 12:27:04 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: beyond the sea

Islam is an enemy ideology.


9 posted on 07/08/2005 12:55:17 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: Stat Man
I don't believe there would have been any further attacks if, after 9/11, Bush had had the cajones to say, "You have attacked the heart of America, and we will retaliate by ripping out the heart of Islam. If one more innocent non-Muslim - just one, anywhere - is harmed by Islamic terrorists, Mecca will be vaporized off the face of the Earth, and its incineration will be on the head of Osama bin Ladin, because you have been warned. And now, to prove I am dead serious, Muslims who know where bin Laden is and are protecting him have 48 hours to hand him over, or roughly one-third of Mecca will be vaporized. The clock is ticking."

Instead, we worry if we're being too hard on the poor little dears, playing them Christina Aguilera too loud or touching their precious Korans with our ungloved infidel hands. Bulls**t! Hook their testicles up to car batteries, and if you need a jump start, give me a call, I've got cables.

10 posted on 07/08/2005 1:56:16 AM PDT by HHFi
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To: Stat Man
Before this is over, it will be necessary to 'send a message' to the Islamic world by vaporizing some of their must vaunted sites. Places like Mecca turned to salt.

This is a life and death battle, and we haven't even started getting serious. We must.

11 posted on 07/08/2005 3:00:36 AM PDT by CT
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To: joinedafterattack
How much more of this can we put up with before we have to declare war on the "peaceful" religion of Islam?
12 posted on 07/08/2005 4:26:05 AM PDT by southernerwithanattitude (new and improved redneck)
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To: joinedafterattack
"A less openly acknowledged cause for concern is deep disaffection among portions of Britain's Muslim population (about 2 million of 60 million Britons). A 2002 Daily Telegraph poll found that "one in five British Muslims feels little loyalty towards Britain." As for Osama bin Laden, the same poll found that 13 percent regarded his attacks against Western targets as justified, 11 percent had no opinion one way or the other, and 26 percent denied bin Laden's responsibility. It is from this particular subgroup that nearly all of Britain's homegrown terrorist suspects have emerged, including the group arrested last August and charged with plotting attacks in London as well as in New York, Newark, and Washington."

Excuse me, but since at least 80% of Muslims DO feel loyalty to Britain, how is this a gigantic cause for concern. I'd bet that WAY less than 80% of Mexican immigrants "feel loyalty to the USA".

13 posted on 07/08/2005 4:26:48 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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