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1 posted on 06/27/2005 1:51:57 PM PDT by doug from upland
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I have listened to Billy Graham since I was teenager. I love the fact that he can share the Lord Jesus Christ in such a clear way.

I went forward in one of his meeting to accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior. I will always be grateful to Billy Graham for that.

Over the last few years I have been very disappointed to see and hear Mr.Graham exploited by the clinton's. I am saddened that he would use this crusade to suggest that hillary should be president of our great nation. I think it is time for him to let his son Franklin take over.

51 posted on 06/27/2005 2:48:30 PM PDT by sam I am
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To: doug from upland; nmh; OldFriend; cyborg; Mia T; Liz; CHARLITE; Quix; All

I have had--and still have--high regard for Billy Graham, without worshiping the man. I am confident he has spoken out to more people about sin and righteousness than I ever have. Including the most corrupt and unrepentant co-presidents ever, the Clintons.

No doubt Billy Graham has urged the Clintons to repent, privately at least. And the Clintons in public acknowledge God's Word, even claim to be religious, etc. (Bible-thumping, reference to prayer, faith etc. without evidence of true repentance, of course).

I probably would have not been so kind as Billy in his joking, nor would I have given them a position of honor on my dais. Nevertheless, God works in mysterious ways and there is a judgment day coming.

Maybe we can concur that few of us at FR would have done and said what Billy did, yet it was surely meant as a joke, most students of Graham would know he sought to use appropriate humor. That humor didn't fly with a lot of us. Yes, Billy should have given America a Barf Alert before that joke! Let's forgive Billy's poor judgment in this case, stop bashing Billy Graham--and START bashing dead and illegal voters and ESPECIALLY those they 'vote' for--people like the DNC Senators who plot to get more Marxist judges doing what SCOTUS did today.

Billy Graham has one thing right: you have to change the inner man before the outer behavior changes. And only God can bring about true change--usually influencing people WITH imperfect people like Billy Graham, Mother Teresa, Dwight Moody and Albert Schweitzer. The Church isn't a hotel for saints, it's a hospital for sinners. Glad I've got a bed there, figuratively speaking--it's eternal healthcare of a type that Hillary clearly doesn't understand or honestly care about.

Glad I'm forgiven.

Best FReegards and God Bless Billy Graham.


52 posted on 06/27/2005 2:52:31 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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I'm glad my original take on this was correct. Of course Billy Graham wasn't seriously endorsing Hillary...he was complimenting a former president, and I bet he would have said the same thing to President Bush. The distorted reaction to this event reminded me of Trent Lott's similiar attempt to compliment an old man and how that got distorted into a weapon to bring down Lott. Shame shame on the Clinton's and their msm friends for turning Reverand Graham's kind words into a cheap political photo op. But no problem....I think the American people are smart enough to figure this one out.


54 posted on 06/27/2005 2:54:06 PM PDT by YaYa123 (@You Did Good By Calling The Graham Organization...thank you.com)
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Good old Bill Clinton. The High Priest of insincerity.


66 posted on 06/27/2005 3:08:34 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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Yep, Curtiss Slewah is talking right now about how the Clintons used Rev. Graham.

72 posted on 06/27/2005 3:12:41 PM PDT by doug from upland (MOCKING DEMOCRATS 24/7 --- www.rightwingparodies.com)
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I think Graham was being a little facetious but still one of the dumbest things he has ever done.


86 posted on 06/27/2005 3:29:49 PM PDT by yarddog
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There are these two free daily papers all over the place now, they are not too bad for a quick read on the train. Today the both front pages were pretty amusing, 1/2 Billy Graham 1/2 the Gay Pride parade.


102 posted on 06/27/2005 4:34:57 PM PDT by jocon307 (Can we close the border NOW?)
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"The girl calmly told me that the reverend made the statement as a joke, it shouldn't be taken out of context, and he is not endorsing Hillary Clinton or the Democratic Party."

Will you EVER believe the truth?

You heard it yourself.

Now, I tell you the same thing.

I don't expect a dying man to apologize to people for a joke they either didn't find funny or chose to believe was not a joke. I wouldn't dignify that prickly complaint with a response either.
104 posted on 06/27/2005 4:41:05 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: doug from upland; Steven W.
March 17, 1998

Forgiveness is tricky business

The Reverend Billy Graham made an appearance on the Today show a couple of weeks ago. Possibly, he scandalized more than a few of the people he’s attracted over the many decades he has been preaching.

He said he forgives President Clinton. That’s because, "I know the frailty of human nature . . . . He has such a tremendous personality that I think the ladies just go wild over him." Mr. Graham finished this comment with a chuckle.

One guy who wasn’t chuckling was former drug czar and education secretary Bill Bennett. He objected to the reverend’s readiness to forgive with a "cheap grace."

Asked Bennett: "Billy Graham forgives him for what? What has the president admitted to doing? Billy Graham forgives him for something the president has denied in his deposition he has ever done."

That’s certainly true. Bill Clinton says no about Monica and no about Kathleen and no about Paula and no about Dolly and no about every other woman he’s been asked about. Well, except for Gennifer and maybe we shouldn’t even count that because, after all, he did say no about her for years.

To my knowledge the president hasn’t accepted responsibility for real estate scams or travel office firings or FBI files or anything else. So I wonder if Billy Graham’s forgiveness covers everything or only the sins caused by that tremendous personality that makes the ladies just go wild.

Bennett went on to point out that forgiveness usually comes after acknowledgement of one’s sins and repentance. I’m not too familiar with Protestantism, but I think Protestants believe that only God can forgive sins.

The Catholic Church, of course, has the sacrament of penance and reconciliation in which a priest may absolve penitents from their sins. Except in emergencies, this usually requires a confession of the sins.

Bennett’s bewilderment (if I may use a word the president’s spin-doctors appear to have a monopoly on) is understandable. What the heck was Billy Graham doing? There’s no admission of wrongdoing, so there’s nothing to forgive. Even if there were, it’s up to God to do the forgiving. Unless Mr. Clinton converts to Catholicism and I doubt the Pope’s praying for that.

All the Reverend Graham’s done is cause confusion and provide some wandering husbands with a ready-made excuse. Yes, dear, it’s just like Billy Graham says about how frail we human beings are. And I do have this tremendous personality that makes the ladies go wild.

If Mr. Graham is intent on forgiving a president he should do it for one who’s personally wronged him. Harry S. Truman will do. He wasn’t known for his tactfulness and one day he really unloaded on the subject of – Billy Graham!

"But now we’ve got this one evangelist, this Billy Graham, and he’s gone off the beam. He’s . . . .well, I hadn’t ought to say this, but he’s one of those counterfeits I was telling you about. He claims he’s a friend of all the Presidents, but he was never a friend of mine when I was President. I just don’t go for people like that. All he’s interested in is getting his name in the paper."

That’s pretty harsh. But it’s a transgression Billy Graham can actually forgive.

Whenever you get into a discussion of morality and sins and such you take the risk of being accused of trying to be holier-than-thou. We’re all sinners – some of us much worse than others - and we all need forgiveness: the forgiveness of those we’ve hurt and the forgiveness of a loving God.

That must ultimately come from a Higher Authority. Forgiveness by Mr. Graham for unacknowledged sins may help in the polls, but that’s about it.

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

115 posted on 06/27/2005 5:58:08 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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enabler


125 posted on 06/28/2005 6:35:56 AM PDT by PGalt
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Graham had to be on crack!


132 posted on 06/28/2005 9:42:17 AM PDT by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)
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