Frame Up? Dems, Dean Hit in Message War

ABC News ^ | June 18 | MICHAEL S. JAMES

[Soul Seeker]

We have a disciplined machine? HAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!

Can the Dems handle the Truth?

We don't have a disciplined machine. If we did Buckley wouldn't be demonstrating deplorable weakness in his latest column. We wouldn't have Mavericks in the Party.

No, the TRUTH is that we have beliefs that trump politics. We have a conscience. When a Democrat or anyone states a message in defiance we instintively without order respond. We do not stick on any one angle. We attack from all sides, proof positive our beliefs are fleshed out. These beliefs happen to be deeply held by the majority in the Party. That isn't evidence of an ordered machine but shared philosophy.

We do have alternative sources to relate our beliefs. we had to develop them since we were SHUT OUT by the MSM. But they are not comparable to the MSM reach.

The real Truth is that we TELL the Truth. It has the authenticity their spin lacks. This is why it reaches further, embeds itself within.

What the dems fear is the grassroots. the American people relaying info back and forth bypassing their spin. That is what they cannot overcome.

[Bars4Bill]

"We need to be blunt and clear about the things that we're going to fight for"

But we can't name them.

[Stonedog]

The real Truth is that we TELL the Truth. It has the authenticity their spin lacks. This is why it reaches further, embeds itself within.

Great rant...Preach on, brother.

[angkor]

I read a couple of Lakoff's books while in college, and he does have some interesting theories about language and human understanding and behavior.

A vastly simplified version is this: as bipeds, human beings operate in a vertical world where "up" is "good" (mobility, action, offensive), while "down" is "bad" (passive, vulnerable, defenseless). We share these beliefs and understandings because we share the common experience of living in a human body.

Thus we develop clusters of societal beliefs (literally, the "common sense") about what is "good" and "bad", e.g., "the stock market is down" is bad, while "things are looking up" is good.

Like all the soft sciences, Lakoff's theories are subject to abuse. You can make up all sorts of whacky assertions with nothing at all to back them up.

I always wonder why people like Lakoff and Chomsky (in their Rat political roles) don't go out and do analytic textual metrics to back up what they say. Could it be that they know the Rats are wrong? And that they are wrong in siding with them? And its demonstrably provable?

Possibly. Probably. Definitely.

[angkor]

You tend to not have "disiplined message management" when you can't espouse what you REALLY believe.

You hit the nail on the head. The core Rat ideas are repellent to most Americans. The cannot state those ideas clearly, consistently, or openly because they'd be thrown out of office.

It's also why Rat talk radio doesn't work. You cannot sustain a pack of lies and deceptions for 3 or 4 continuous hours every day.

[CFC__VRWC]

This article is just hilarious when you consider that the Dims have had just about as bad a week as any in recent memory, all thanks to their "message." They were planning on using the Sunday talk shows to put the finishing touches on the groundwork for George Bush's impeachment.

Instead, thanks to Little Dickie Turbin's statement, and then thanks to John Conyers' sham committee hearing (which was supposed to provide the push impeachment needed, leaving only the closing of the deal) complete with the freaking loons passing out "Death to Israel!" literature, at DNC Headquarters for God's sake, Dean and the Dims are right back where they've been the last few weeks, forced to explain their nutty remarks and to defend themselves in the face of all the outrage they've created.

I wonder what George Lakoff (rhymes with ...) has to say about this use of a "message"?

[angkor]

But we can't name them.

As others in this thread have related, they can name their beliefs, but they'd be pitched out of office by the American people. Because their core beliefs are repellent to the vast majority of Americans.

[Lancey Howard]

The result is little surprise to George Lakoff, a linguistics and cognitive science professor at the University of California-Berkeley, who said "the Republican message machine" has been far more effective than Democrats in recent years at framing the opposing party through disciplined message management, repetition of phrases and other techniques. Democrats, he said, can't currently match the GOP's level of organization.

HAR!!!
This is the guy Rush calls, "George Lakoff, rhymes with....". He's the guy who the Democrats hired to hold seminars to teach them how to lie more effectively. No surprise that ABC went to Lakoff for a comment. With this "report" ABC is clearly in full spin-cycle on behalf of their Democrat Party. See, it's not that Dean and the Democrats are making outrageous comments - - it's just that those crafty and mean Republicans are making it look that way.

[Morgan's Raider]

Now if only someone taught him the wearing of a loincloth....

Noooooo! My eyes! My eyes!

[CFC__VRWC]

Two statements by Ann Coulter come to mind reading your comments.

- "...if Americans knew what they (liberals) really believed, the public would boil them in oil."

- "This is not an ideology that can withstand several hours a day of caller scrutiny where their goofball notions can be shot down by any truck driver with a cell phone."

[red state girl]

Dean spends most of his time with his foot in his mouth. He is even an embarassment to the Democraps!

Thanks libs for putting Dean in charge of your loser cult...he is a laugh a minute!

[GOPJ]

In other words, Pratkanis said, just as they stumbled, Republicans may have pitched a psychological message to future voters that, "We're all that keeps you from Howard Dean."

Works for me...

[Lancey Howard]

A vastly simplified version is this: as bipeds, human beings operate in a vertical world where "up" is "good" (mobility, action, offensive), while "down" is "bad" (passive, vulnerable, defenseless). We share these beliefs and understandings because we share the common experience of living in a human body.

Thus we develop clusters of societal beliefs (literally, the "common sense") about what is "good" and "bad", e.g., "the stock market is down" is bad, while "things are looking up" is good.

Like all the soft sciences, Lakoff's theories are subject to abuse.

These aren't Lakoff's theories. They are a weak ripoff of Carlos Castaneda's far more encompassing explanation for human "agreement" about "reality" itself. Lakoff has apparently decided to make a career out of applying Castaneda's incredible work to the tiny sub-sets of language and opinion.

[wdkeller]

I knew it! Dean is actually Karl Rove in disguise!!

[IllumiNaughtyByNature]

[GSlob]

So, you'd like to continue having him jumping around naked? This is inconsiderate of you: THERE ARE [or might be] CHILDREN AROUND!!

[prophetic]

Howard Dean = The white Jesse Jackson

[quantim]

[NormsRevenge]

Dean did not back down.

"We need to be blunt..

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blunt

http://www.cannabis.com/usage/blunts.shtml

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this explains a lot about the c"rats and their behavior of late, imo ;-)

[generationfixit]

"the Republican message machine" has been far more effective than Democrats in recent years at framing the opposing party

Framing the opposing party? How about we sit back and let them shoot their mouth off and say to ourselves " wow can you believe he said that?" If that is framing your opposition I don't need a college course in political science.

NICE!