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Frame Up? Dems, Dean Hit in Message War
ABC News ^ | June 18 | MICHAEL S. JAMES

Posted on 06/18/2005 7:04:56 PM PDT by NewMediaFan

June 18, 2005 — Republicans showered scorn upon Howard Dean when he said in recent weeks that the GOP is "pretty much a white Christian party," that many of its leaders "never made an honest living," and that a key Republican "is corrupt" and should "start serving his jail sentence."

Some Democrats publicly disavowed the remarks by Dean, their own party chairman.

But Dean did not back down.

"We need to be blunt and clear about the things that we're going to fight for," he told Iowa Democratic leaders Saturday, according to the Des Moines Register. "People have criticized me for being blunt. I do that on purpose. I am tired of lying down."

So is it a strategy?

If so, it's misguided, said analysts contacted by ABCNEWS.com — unless it's part of a Republican strategy.

"The Republicans are attacking Howard Dean more than Howard Dean is attacking Republicans — but the way the stories are being handled in the news media, everybody is assuming the opposite," said Anthony Pratkanis, co-author of "Age of Propaganda: The Everyday Use and Abuse of Persuasion," and a psychology professor at the University of California-Santa Cruz.

'Republican Message Machine'

Experts on propaganda and political branding declared Republicans the winners of the dust-up over Dean's comments, calling Dean's attacks imprecise, poorly targeted and open to mischaracterization (Dean was forced to clarify several remarks once they were reported).

The result is little surprise to George Lakoff, a linguistics and cognitive science professor at the University of California-Berkeley, who said "the Republican message machine" has been far more effective than Democrats in recent years at framing the opposing party through disciplined message management, repetition of phrases and other techniques. Democrats, he said, can't currently match the GOP's level of organization.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: chairmandean; dean; dnc; nutcase; paddedcell; rnc; rubberroom; screamer; whackjob; whitechristians
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See, it's the Republican's fault

1 posted on 06/18/2005 7:04:56 PM PDT by NewMediaFan
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To: NewMediaFan

the media and the DEMS -RATS are in love with Lakoff as if he was S.I. Hiyakawa. That goodness he has the brains of a liberal and their work ethic too. We will win elections forver as long as he is their media guru.


2 posted on 06/18/2005 7:08:37 PM PDT by q_an_a
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To: NewMediaFan

Well, as for "being blunt" - he already is, about as much as a stone ax. So, that part he got down pat, as well as Troglodyte vocabulary like "yeaaaarghhhhh!!!" Now if only someone taught him the wearing of a loincloth....


3 posted on 06/18/2005 7:11:03 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: NewMediaFan
Experts on propaganda and political branding declared Republicans the winners of the dust-up over Dean's comments, calling Dean's attacks imprecise, poorly targeted and open to mischaracterization

Oh, I get it. Howard Dean isn't a hateful leftist, he's just mischaracterized. Gag me.

4 posted on 06/18/2005 7:15:08 PM PDT by Libertarian444
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"He says, I hate the Republicans, without making a distinction," Pitney said. To ordinary Republicans, "the obvious conclusion is, Howard Dean hates me."

Well yeah. What other conclusion is there?

5 posted on 06/18/2005 7:15:57 PM PDT by 68skylark
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Sheesh....I'm GLAD he hates "me." I don't think I could ever call him a friend....


6 posted on 06/18/2005 7:19:01 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Our military......the world's HEROES!)
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"He says, I hate the Republicans, without making a distinction," Pitney said. To ordinary Republicans, "the obvious conclusion is, Howard Dean hates me."

Well yeah. What other conclusion is there?

(In my best Masshole mumbled speech)
"It's obvious the you"Ordinary Republicans" aren't Nuanced enough to understand what your superiors in the elite ruling class are saying!

JF'nK: "Looo-vey! The borgeoise are revolting!"
Tuh-REEEEE-zuh: "Yes, Lurch, they certainly are!"

7 posted on 06/18/2005 7:25:30 PM PDT by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: goodnesswins
I'm not really seeking to be hated by anyone in this country. But in the case of Howard Dean and his supporters, it really doesn't bug me either -- whatever warped emotions they feel, it's their problem.
8 posted on 06/18/2005 7:29:36 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: Libertarian444

"Oh, I get it. Howard Dean isn't a hateful leftist, he's just mischaracterized. Gag me."

Like Durbin's comments, the apology is always "Blame the messenger" for the supposed misinterpretation.


9 posted on 06/18/2005 7:36:29 PM PDT by Shermy
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The "Republican Message Machine" really baffles and infuriates Dems but it isn't so mysterious. It's just a mouth connected to a brain.


10 posted on 06/18/2005 7:38:50 PM PDT by RedRover (Yeah, buddy.)
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To: NewMediaFan

Sheeeeesh! I already knew that! [/s]


11 posted on 06/18/2005 7:39:06 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: NewMediaFan
political branding

Piffle!

12 posted on 06/18/2005 7:39:34 PM PDT by Calusa (Say Nick, was ya ever stung by a dead bee?)
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To: NewMediaFan; Kenny Bunk
The result is little surprise to George Lakoff, a linguistics and cognitive science professor at the University of California-Berkeley, who said "the Republican message machine" has been far more effective than Democrats in recent years at framing the opposing party through disciplined message management, repetition of phrases and other techniques. Democrats, he said, can't currently match the GOP's level of organization.

They pay this guy? Is he like the "expert" who told McAuliffe in 2002 that it wasn't the lack of message but talk radio that made the Dems lose in 2002?

It's getting pathetic. I heard a Repub spokesman the other day state flat out he doesn't fear the Dems "because they have no ideas." No fear in letting out the secret, the Dems won't change.

I suspect to a degree MoveOn.Org type elitists with their identity politics concerns have taken over the advisory roles in Dem staffs. Certainly have in Senator Reid's.

13 posted on 06/18/2005 7:41:17 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Libertarian444

Why am I not surprised that the MSM has no trouble finding experts on propaganda?


14 posted on 06/18/2005 7:41:18 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government)
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To: NewMediaFan
How may I help?


15 posted on 06/18/2005 7:46:27 PM PDT by A.B.Normal
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To: RedRover
The Republican Message Machine

To the MSM words are weapons and intellectual fraud is the coin of the realm.

They are unable to accept that the real world has intervened and made them and their Democratic Party allies look like idiots and snake-oil salesmen.
16 posted on 06/18/2005 7:47:47 PM PDT by cgbg (I suffer from Stockholm Syndrome--"Your papers, please. No smoking here.")
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The result is little surprise to George Lakoff, a linguistics and cognitive science professor at the University of California-Berkeley, who said "the Republican message machine" has been far more effective than Democrats in recent years at framing the opposing party through disciplined message management, repetition.

It really is not that hard. You can easily " stay on message" if you have core beliefs that most Americans agree with. You tend to not have "disiplined message management" when you can't espouse what you REALLY believe. Watching the Democrats try to stay on message is like watching a group of Amway reps try to tell you why it's not a pyramid scheme....

NICE


17 posted on 06/18/2005 7:55:28 PM PDT by generationfixit
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To: cgbg

Well said, my old son.


18 posted on 06/18/2005 7:58:23 PM PDT by RedRover (Yeah, buddy.)
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To: NewMediaFan

In the world of objectivity, the likes and antics of a Howard Dean is considered by most balanced folks as someone who borders on being a complete moron. This would be comical if his rantings were nothing but political banter, but sadly they are not. I have for sometime been stating my sincere feelings that the "current" Democrat party is both a political party of treason and traitorship against the United States. Recent events now draw a more accurate picture for Americans to see, if they so wish. If the American people opt for the Democrat party to lead, America will surely disappear from the face of the earth, just as the Union would have collapsed if that Democrat fool General George McClellan had been elected President over Abe Lincoln.

It amazes me how similar the situation was in 1864 in relation to today. The majority of Americans in the Union were disgusted with the war effort, nothing was going right for old Abe, the sons of the Union were being killed by thousands, thousands more suffered in prisoner of war camps that make Gitmo look like the Waldorf Astoria and the Demcrats, as they are doing today, were ready to make peace at any price with the Confederate Union, including dismantling the USA.

But, Ole Abe Lincoln stuck to his guns, and you know what, the American people in their wisdom trusted him, and gave him their support in returning him to office to keep the Union safe and end slavery forever in these United
States.

I am not so sure the American people today have a good frame of what we are fighting for. In fact, I feel that we are already a lost nation. Let's face it, if some Republican made a speech in the US Senate as Dick Durbin did a few days ago, during the Second World War, the people would risen up and thrown this guy out of a window somewhere. But, no, a whole political party mocks our military, our war effort and enables the enemy to attack us both the military and civilians. How quickly the "common man" idiots in America have forgotten 911.

Until the American people rise up and totally destroy the "current" Democrat Party at the ballot box, we will, day by day, inch closer and closer to a human disaster and tragedy that will make 911 look like a Sunday church picnic. The clock is ticking America for you, and more certainly for the state of Israel. When will you wake up?


19 posted on 06/18/2005 8:01:27 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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Well, if two college professors think Dean is being misunderstood and unfairly characterized, it must be true.

After all, college professors are staunch conservatives and are fair to Republicans.

Did I mention that Berkely professors are pro-American and work as Army recruiters in their spare time?

20 posted on 06/18/2005 8:02:40 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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