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Russia, China join against US 'star wars'
MENAFN ^ | June 17, 2005

Posted on 06/18/2005 3:26:49 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

WASHINGTON, June 17 (UPI) -- Russia and China have joined forces in a major U.N. forum to oppose U.S. plans to develop new space weapons. And the move could herald a far more wide-ranging strategic cooperation between the two nations.

Russia and China have joined forces to urge the U.N. Conference on Disarmament to launch a new round of international negotiations to prevent the increased militarization of space. On June 9, the two countries issued a joint working paper calling for the reactivation of the moribund Committee on Prevention of an Arms Race in Outer Space that was discontinued in 1994. The appeal was delivered to the Disarmament Conference in Geneva.

Hu Xiaodi, China's veteran top negotiator, and one of its most influential policymakers on space weapons systems, told the conference, "The recent developments concerning outer space are worrisome and require more urgent efforts to start work on preventing an arms race in outer space... China and Russia stand for the negotiation, at the Disarmament Conference, of an international legal instrument prohibiting the deployment of weapons in outer space and use of force against outer space objects."

Analyst Sergei Blatov writing for the Eurasia Daily Monitor of the Washington-based Jamestown Foundation called the Sino-Russian initiative "an apparent strategic partnership" and added that it was "understood to be anti-Washington, due to known joint Russo-Chinese opposition to the planned U.S. National Missile Defense (NMD) program."

The initiative is not likely to get anywhere.

Efforts through the U.N. Disarmament Conference to update international space disarmament agreements have deadlocked. The United States has said it sees no need for any new space arms control agreements.

Also, President George W. Bush has appointed a neo-conservative super-hawk, Robert G. Joseph, to replace John Bolton as undersecretary of state for arms control and international security affairs. Joseph has been a leading advocate of countering Chinese and other potentially threatening ballistic missile build ups not with arms control agreements but with the unilateral U.S. deployment of high tech active, as well as passive weapons systems.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov used the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the founding of the famous Baikonur cosmodrome, still operated by Russia but now in independent Kazakhstan, on June 2 to warn that his country was prepared to deploy counter weapons to any new ones the United States launched into the heavens.

"If some state harbors plans to deploy weapons in space or starts doing this, we will certainly take measures in response to this," he said.

Some U.S. and Russian experts have pooh-poohed both the signals from the Bush administration that it intends to boldly develop new strategic capabilities in space and the ability of nations like Russia and China to block them.

However, U.S. experts have warned that Chinese military scientists have been seriously exploring forms of asymmetrical warfare with which they could cost-effectively disable America's space domination.

The easiest way to paralyze the entire U.S. space satellite system in so-called Low Earth Orbit, or LEO, they warn, is by detonating a nuclear weapon above the Earth to produce a radiation belt at the altitude where the satellites orbit. Satellites built to function for 10 years will then all die a slow death over just a few weeks as they pass through the most irradiated areas.

"Given the inherent vulnerability of space-based weapons systems (such as space-based interceptors or space-based lasers) to more cost-effective anti-satellite, or ASAT, attacks, China could resort to ASAT weapons as an asymmetrical (defense) measure," Hui Zhang, an expert on space weaponization and China's nuclear policy at the John F, Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University told United Press International in a recent interview.

Also, if China, Russia or even North Korea were to detonate a single nuclear weapon in the upper atmosphere it would produce an electric magnetic pulse, or EMP. One nuclear weapon detonated in near space would therefore melt down the entire electronic communications network of the United States. That could ruin the U.S. economy and utterly disrupt society

China has repeatedly made clear that it would vastly increase the size of its intercontinental ballistic missile force, building hundreds more nuclear armed ICBMs if necessary to swamp America's new ABM defenses. That could include producing as many as 14 or 15 times as many ICBMs with a range of more than 7,800 miles that are able to threaten the United States, Zhang said.

Currently, China has about 20 liquid-fueled, silo-based ICBMs with single warheads. But if the United States deployed a Ground-Based Missile Defense system with 100 to 250 ground-based interceptor rockets, China would probably be willing to build and deploy anything from 100 to almost 300 more warheads and the missiles necessary to carry them, Zhang said.

Even if the new Alaska-California system of ABM interceptors eventually works as planned to prevent individual or small numbers of ICBM launches by so-called "rogue" nations like North Korea or Iran, it was never designed to protect the United States against any attack by Russia's still huge Strategic Rocket Forces, with their 2,500 nuclear weapons - more than 10 times as many as are needed to obliterate every city in the northern hemisphere or every U.S. town and city with a population greater than 50,000.

Neither the West Coast-Alaska ABM system nor any of the visionary "Star Wars" type programs currently being developed at astronomical cost by the Air Force and, to a far lesser extent, by the Army, show any possibility of defending America against the Multiple Independently Targeted Reentry Vehicle, or MIRV, capabilities of the Strategic Rocket Forces.

So far Russia, apart from the United States, is the only other country in the world with a MIRV capability. And China, despite all its astonishing industrial and technological progress, is still believed to be decades away from developing a MIRV capability of its own.

Up to now, Russia has jealously guarded its MIRV technology and refused to sell or share it with China. But there is no doubt that Russian-Chinese strategic cooperation is developing rapidly. And no one truly knows how far it will ultimately go.

This fall, Russia and China are going to hold massive war games that Blagov described as "unprecedented."

"The war games are expected to involve Russia's strategic Tu-95MS bombers firing cruise missiles, presumably an exercise on how to overcome missile defense," he wrote.

Many experts like respected U.S. space analysts Dwayne Day and James Oberg, and Russian Maj. Gen. Vladimir Dworkin have expressed skepticism that most if not all of the projected new U.S. wonder weapons will ever be deployed at all, given the enormous engineering and technological costs and problems involved

But the very fear that they might be could be enough, others warn, to propel Russia and China to level of strategic and technical cooperation they might never otherwise have contemplated against what may only be a "phantom menace."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
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1 posted on 06/18/2005 3:26:50 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Russia, China, and the UN, this is for you!


2 posted on 06/18/2005 3:28:52 PM PDT by SIDENET ("You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The headline could've been taken right out of the mid-80s.


3 posted on 06/18/2005 3:29:50 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Tailgunner Joe

One nuclear weapon detonated in near space would therefore melt down the entire electronic communications network of the United States. That could ruin the U.S. economy and utterly disrupt society

Do they really think we would sit still for that?


4 posted on 06/18/2005 3:30:35 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Except for the China part, of course.


5 posted on 06/18/2005 3:30:37 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The easiest way to paralyze the entire U.S. space satellite system in so-called Low Earth Orbit, or LEO, they warn, is by detonating a nuclear weapon above the Earth to produce a radiation belt at the altitude where the satellites orbit.

The radioactive debris will land on their own territory causing destruction against themselves. They will also deny access of their own.
6 posted on 06/18/2005 3:31:17 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: Jeff Head

ping


7 posted on 06/18/2005 3:31:32 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Who cares? They only oppose the US from developing new technology
because it will make it harder for them to kill us.

The cloud formation below summarizes my feeling about letting China and
Russia dictate our defense strategies.


Holtz
JeffersonRepublic.com

8 posted on 06/18/2005 3:33:26 PM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com (Visit my web site and win ....... nothing! The government took it in taxes.)
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To: Paul_Denton

Interesting.


9 posted on 06/18/2005 3:37:39 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Tell you what. If Russia and China want to divide the question, there might be room to talk.

One question is military applications of outer space.

The other question is private property rights in outer space.

The two questions have been linked for reasons understandable only to one world hegemons.

Once private property rights are recognized by Russia, the US, England, and China, then the military question can be brought up, divided into logical units, and discussed.

10 posted on 06/18/2005 3:38:01 PM PDT by RightWhale (Some may think I am a methodist)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"The war games are expected to involve Russia's strategic Tu-95MS bombers firing cruise missiles, presumably an exercise on how to overcome missile defense,"

We can always have some "games" on how to overcome their TU-95s.


11 posted on 06/18/2005 3:38:41 PM PDT by SIDENET ("You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Imagine that...The Chicoms and the "We want to be communist again" crowd oppose U.S. missile defense. Who'da thunk it.


12 posted on 06/18/2005 3:45:59 PM PDT by Stonedog (I don't know what your problem is, but I bet it's difficult to pronounce.)
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To: tet68
Also, if China, Russia or even North Korea were to detonate a single nuclear weapon in the upper atmosphere it would produce an electric magnetic pulse, or EMP. One nuclear weapon detonated in near space would therefore melt down the entire electronic communications network of the United States. That could ruin the U.S. economy and utterly disrupt society.

True? Or a sort of Y2K scare?

Don't forget, red wine and beer are now good for you.

13 posted on 06/18/2005 3:50:01 PM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: Stonedog

Let the Chicoms and Ruskies waster their money trying to keep up with us.

I suppose the UN will turn a blind "ironic eye" at China begging for demilitarization as they continue the incredible missile buildup opposite the Taiwan Straits.


14 posted on 06/18/2005 4:02:39 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: rbmillerjr
Unlike the Ruskies of the Cold War we buy all our crap from Red China which fuels their war machine with OUR money.

American marketing departments are trying to figure out how to sell a rope, made in China, to the Chinese market so they can hang us with it. Little do they know the Chinese have planned the ropes construction for years and are waiting for the right opportunity to use it.

Excuse my cynicism but the lack of forsight in this situation astounds me.
15 posted on 06/18/2005 4:35:42 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: DCPatriot

Very true. Very scary. I suppose that's why we don't hear much about it. The latest edition of Imprimis has an excellent piece describing the EMP threat.


16 posted on 06/18/2005 4:48:00 PM PDT by msf92497 (My brain is "twitchy")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

All the more reason to put weapons OFFENSIVE and defensive in space!


17 posted on 06/18/2005 4:55:46 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: monkeywrench

thanks for the ping. China and Russia as well as states like Iran and North Korea ARE the reason to put weapons in space.


18 posted on 06/18/2005 4:57:03 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: SIDENET

How would they factor in the F-22/F-15 interception of the Bombers?


19 posted on 06/18/2005 5:33:48 PM PDT by John Will
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To: Tailgunner Joe
This article strikes me as a typical biased article whose intent is to defuse notions of developing a comprehensive space based missile defense system.

Its all hopeless you see...lets just get along with comprehensive arms control treaties. But Reagan knew differently.

All is not lost...we once took great pains to design some satellites to be resistant to radiation....to survive.

Lets get going with Son of Star Wars...a comprehensive space based system which targets launch vehicles during the boost phase when they are most vulnerable....nullifying the MIRV capability.

JMHO...but the semiconductor technology we have today makes approaches that were unfeasible back in the 80's feasible today.
20 posted on 06/18/2005 5:33:48 PM PDT by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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