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1 posted on 06/15/2005 9:36:34 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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The House has already approved legislation sponsored by a powerful Texas Republican, Rep. Joe Barton, that would deliver what the industry wants, brushing aside protests from California water officials, Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Democratic Attorney General Bill Lockyer.

However, the U.S. Senate is widely expected to withstand industry pressure as it takes up its own energy bill this week, shifting the showdown to a conference committee later this summer.

That could set the stage for a possible repeat of 2003 when an energy bill collapsed, partially over an impasse involving MTBE.

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Someday, there will be an energy bill.. someday, maybe..


2 posted on 06/15/2005 9:38:21 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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The individuals who approved this additive, should be held responsible not the oil companies or the tax payer.


3 posted on 06/15/2005 9:39:27 PM PDT by dts32041 (Robin Hood, stealing from the government and giving back to tax payer. Where is he today?)
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I think the best thing would be government subsidizing the purchase of a tap water filter for it. Clanups just hurt the landscape more, devalue property and scare of business usually for the sins of an inventor long since bankrupted. (If only those in government charged with testing it could be charged for not being more thourough...)


5 posted on 06/15/2005 9:42:11 PM PDT by kharaku (G3)
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MTBE background info FRom the FR threads archive
9 posted on 06/15/2005 9:51:07 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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"The pending federal legislation would ban the additive starting in 2015.

Ten years before it's banned? It should be banned immediately because of the potential ramifications. Our nation's health is at risk, and they propose we have 10 more years of groundwater pollution. What could this government be thinking?

10 posted on 06/15/2005 10:00:01 PM PDT by Rabble (Just When is John F sKerry going to release all his military records ?)
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If this precedent stands, private industry can now be held financially liable for damages real or perceived due to practices imposed on it by legislation. Bill Wattenberg on KGO San Francisco has been on the MTBE scam for years.


11 posted on 06/15/2005 10:03:08 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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Make the Sierra Club pay for it, they lobbied for the additive to be put in the gasoline...


15 posted on 06/15/2005 10:44:45 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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Everybody is right on target tonight.

The EPA, Cal EPA, CARB genius ecoscientists actually designed the MTBE molecule and designed it specifically so that it could be made by chemical companies as opposed to agricultural interests (ethanol). MTBE is a synthetic not natural occurring alcohol molecule, it never existed in nature before it was constructed by ecoscientists. It would be the alcohol equivalent of the Andromeda Strain. (The idiocy amazes even me.)

MTBE was mandated by law in Kalifornia, and ethanol (good ole' corn) was forbidden. All to reward those that cooperated with the ecothugs.

Finally neither MTBE or ethanol is necessary for clean burning gasoline, it can be refined directly from the crude with modern technology, so it was all a hoax for profit.

The oil companies were aware of the potential danger, but they only followed orders. DemoRat-envirothug government employees ordered it into the gasoline and signed the NAFTA deal with Canada to supply it. A deal we can't break trade barriers, you know.

17 posted on 06/15/2005 10:51:34 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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By all accounts, the oil industry selected MTBE because it was readily available and cheaper than the limited supplies of ethanol or other alternatives.

As I recall from the beginning when KSFO personalities help lead the opposition to using MTBE it was said that MTBE was made from refinery waste, or by-products.

The dangers of MTBE first came to light on a large scale in the Lake Tahoe and Santa Monica cases, which involved dozens of drinking water wells that had to be shut down.

Wrong! The dangers first came to light at KSFO's "Can you hear us now!" rallies at the capitol building before MTBE was used to attack the health and well-being of citizens of California. The Cal-EPA, the various air resources boards, political hacks, oil company execs, and lots more should be in prison awaiting execution.

A coalition of water officials and environmentalists launched a nationwide crusade against MTBE. Sure. Years after right wingers led the way.

As I recall from those days, the Republican Wilson administration arranged to give billions to the refineries to speed the MTBE additive process. The money was taken from funds ear-marked for low-income home buyers.

Wilson would never appear on KSFO and it was reported that he claimed at the time that he had never heard of MTBE. Mrs. Wilson got a great board of directors job with ARCO shortly after Mister left office. I believe ARCO had a lot to do with making and selling MTBE.

"Willie! Willie Sutton, why do you serve the public?"

"Because that's where the money is."

20 posted on 06/15/2005 11:01:48 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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Just what we need--make private industry pay for something it would not have used had the government not required it.

Individual motorists at gas pumps spill an amazing amount of fuel just a few drops at a time, but MTBE does not break down. All those drips and splashes add up.

No one needs to have a leaky underground tank, and those went through inspections during the Clinton years, too, shutting down a lot of older gas stations where infrastructure upgrades were too expensive.

So let's beat up the BIG oil companies to pay for the actions of a government and the people it represents. /SARC

We will have $5.00 gasoline yet, imho.

32 posted on 06/16/2005 12:00:57 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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bill wattenberg of radio kgo san francisco used to scream himself silly over mtbe.

he said that the oil companies and the cal epa were in bed together, that employees moved back and forth, back and forth, for higher salaries.

he was on record for over a decade against mtbe, pointing out that it was a carcinogen.


34 posted on 06/16/2005 1:00:20 AM PDT by ken21
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