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Grief Counselling A Waste Of Time, Say Psychologists
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6-4-2005 | Raj Persaud

Posted on 06/03/2005 6:34:39 PM PDT by blam

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To: blam
People have recovered from tragic, or unexpected loss of acquaintances, friends, or loved ones for hundreds of generations ... going back to the dawn of mankind. Today anytime you hear of teenage kids killed in a tragic auto accident the next thing you hear, or read about, is bereavement consolers being dispatched to the local school or college. An airplane crashes ... well, you get my drift. Bottom line ... time will heal the wounds of a tragic or unexpected loss of acquaintances, friends, or loved ones.
That's life ...
21 posted on 06/03/2005 6:55:47 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Jagman
"This makes me so sad I don't know what to do."

You could lay on the couch a while.

22 posted on 06/03/2005 6:56:01 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: blam

I believe that short-term grief counseling can be worthwhile. When it gets to be prolonged, I think it's counter-productive.

I have the same view of counseling on the whole. If something can be worked out, it can be worked out in a short period, say six months or so. If it goes beyond this, then the psychologist becomes the crutch and a dependency develops.

Perhaps it's just my flawed opinion, but I do not think long-term therapy lasting years or even in excess of a decade is productive.

I am amazed at how many women think psychology is the highest calling. Men can generally take it or leave it.

Some of the most screwed up people I've known have been psychologists or conselors. Their own lives in a shambles, they strive to 'fix' other peoople's lives.

Generally, no thanks. I did benefit from short term counceling around the time of my divorce, but the major benefit was related to just having someone not involved in the family, to unload on. I wouldn't have wanted to be that guy. He was great BTW.


23 posted on 06/03/2005 6:56:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: cgbg

"this makes me so sad I don't know what to do"

Recently, Prozac overtook Zoloft in sales.

The people on Zoloft were sad at this development...

Then they were happy about it...

Then they were sad...

Then....


24 posted on 06/03/2005 6:56:31 PM PDT by El Whino
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To: Bahbah

I think the people who like to talk might benefit from this if there is nobody else they can talk to - older people often have lost a lot of their relatives and friends already. Also, sometimes while you are working out something painful (whether death, divorce or other), your family and friends don't want to listen over and over and over but you can keep regurgitating your thoughts in a support group or to a counselor. Now, having said all that, there are numerous others who may not need to verbalize or they can verbalize minimally and they are just as happy. Everyone is individual in their needs and coping mechanisms. I'm verbal and my husband is not so we'd handle it in totally different ways.


25 posted on 06/03/2005 6:57:06 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Lizavetta
We lost one of our children in February.

Does anyone have any wisdom on how to cope with the hell that is my life now?

Never having lost a child I am not qualified to advise you but I am qualified to pray for you and your family and that's what I'll do.

26 posted on 06/03/2005 6:59:33 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Felis_irritable

I also think that there are an awful lot of people who would rather talk about their problems than actually take responsibility and fix them.


27 posted on 06/03/2005 7:01:23 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: blam

Psychoanalysts are couch potato farmers.


28 posted on 06/03/2005 7:01:35 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Lizavetta
You and your family have my deepest sympathy. My grandmother, who lost children she grieved, cursed God, wept, was angry, and was desolate. She never stopped missing her children, however the pain got gentler in time. You and you family are in my prayers.
29 posted on 06/03/2005 7:04:29 PM PDT by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Lizavetta

My brother died in January. I believe God's promises in Christ, enumerated in the Scriptures. I have hope in eternal life and that our family will once again be reunited - forever.


30 posted on 06/03/2005 7:05:09 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: thoughtomator

This is sooo true. I have a niece who has major issues and she wants to become a psychologist. Right now, psychology is the #1 major in colleges. All these kids are screwed up and are trying to figure out what's wrong with them. Regarding psychiatrists judging sanity, my dad always said "it takes one to know one." You ever notice how many times these "mental health professionals" give the psychos a clean slate and let them out only for them to do something crazy again? There are also numerous instances of people being kept in mental institutions while nothing was wrong with them. And we could spend a long time on all the prescribing done to people, mostly women, because they don't want to get to the bottom of the problem. Example, I have a friend whose husband is a lazybones. He's had 11 or 12 jobs in their 14 years of marriage. He doesn't help her around the house and does little of the traditional "guy" things either. He also doesn't help with the kids. They struggle financially because of his job problems. Meanwhile, she's depressed and is on anti-depressants. Why doesn't the shrink just tell her she's fine but to get ol' lazybutt to work and she'd perk right up. That's why these people ANNOY me. They never look at the CAUSE - they just put a band-aid on the symptoms.


31 posted on 06/03/2005 7:08:28 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Lizavetta
My BIL & SIL lost a child several years ago. I wish that experience had given me enough wisdom to help you.

All I can say is, watching them cope with life, find new hope and go on, has been one of the most profound experiences of my life. I admire them deeply for everything they have faced and survived. The experience has taught me more about what is truly important and inherently good about this world than I could ever imagine.

I will pray for you. And for courage.

32 posted on 06/03/2005 7:09:44 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: jwalsh07
We lost our daughter last year. I think I am doing ok without counseling. I did belong to some Internet support groups but they seem worse off than I am at this point. Even after 10 or more years, some are not as far as long as I. I think one reason is the prayers of so many people on this site and at church. Sure, I have had some really bad moments like yesterday which was her birthday. But, our other daughter and I went out shopping for some items to put on Jan's grave, got stuck in a terrible thunderstorm while in the store. By the time, we were able to get tot the car, we were so exhausted that we did not even go to the grave site. Don't get me wrong. I still miss her with all my heart and will always do so. We are just thankful that we had her as many years as we did.
33 posted on 06/03/2005 7:13:20 PM PDT by MamaB (mom to an angel)
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To: Lizavetta

I have no wisdom. My heart aches for you. I would think that the loss of a child leaves a place in a parent that can't be filled. I am so sorry for your terrible loss.


34 posted on 06/03/2005 7:17:17 PM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: TXBubba

Every time I head that some drunken teenager has beheaded himself in a terribly tragic auto accident, and that his high school has released a hoarde of grief counselors into the hallways to help students, I wonder how we coped back in the 1960s without grief counselors?

Ah well, another unscientific Freudian falsehood debunked.


35 posted on 06/03/2005 7:19:21 PM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: Bahbah

Believe me, it does but you learn to deal with it. I am so thankful that after Jan died, I had so many people on this site praying for us. I have had so many dreams about her since that awful 1/15/04 date. One that I have really wondered about is that I dreamed that we were all together and she kept telling everyone that her name had been changed. Anyone have any ideas? Yesterday was her birthday and it was hard but we made it through it. We just take one day at a time.


36 posted on 06/03/2005 7:21:29 PM PDT by MamaB (mom to an angel)
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To: blam
There's a big difference between psychologists and psychiatrists (and, no, not just the M.D. behind the latters' names). It is possible to diagnose an organic brain problem such as obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) or bipolar disorder. When such a diagnosis is made, medication is often required. Since they're medical doctors, psychiatrists have the power to prescribe the meds.
37 posted on 06/03/2005 7:23:57 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: MamaB
My Mom lost the youngest in our family, my little brother, to a car accident at a young age. Time heals but it never heals completely.

God bless you and may the Lord keep your daughter close.

38 posted on 06/03/2005 7:24:05 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Lizavetta
No I don't, but I know Someone Who does. More prayers for you and yours.

My brother died in February, but that is a whole 'nuther thing from losing a child. I can only pray that God will do for you what needs to be done day by day.

39 posted on 06/03/2005 7:26:15 PM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: MamaB
"We just take one day at a time."

I think our Creator devised time in just that manner so events of life would be somehow easier to bear. A life truly is lived moment by moment - good or bad - but never indifferent.

40 posted on 06/03/2005 7:27:14 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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