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To: Keyes2000mt

Once you get rid of the people who deny the basics of the Faith ... we have to get together and talk, really dialogue about issues, determine what matters and what doesn't.

There you go. Brilliant idea. Get rid of the people who disagree with you and then discuss the issues you have in common.

Perhaps we can burn a few heretics at the stake, too. That'll help.

5 posted on 05/10/2005 12:30:09 PM PDT by Grim
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To: Grim
Perhaps we can burn a few heretics at the stake, too. That'll help.

No has a right to be Catholic or any other denomination. The Inquisition was several centuries. No one is remotely suggesting any sort of physical punishment for dissension. It is a matter of freedom of religion and association. If you believe what a private group teaches, join the group. If you don't believe it, don't join the group, and don't compain if you're kicked out. As Cardinal Dulles recently said, the Catholic Church is not a society of freethinkers. If you want to join or set one up, go right a head. This is a free society.

6 posted on 05/10/2005 12:34:55 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Grim
Surely it's not too much to ask that Christian pastors actually believe in Christianity?

What's your problem with simple truth in advertising, or insisting that job applicants are actually qualified to do the job they're applying for?

7 posted on 05/10/2005 12:44:46 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Grim
Get rid of the people who disagree with you and then discuss the issues you have in common.

Like FR? :-)

Actually, it's getting rid of people from a institution who reject the institution's fundamental orthodoxy, which is not merely reasonable but necessary.

Christianity (and FR, I guess) hold that there are absolute truths, hence the only propert way to deal with dissenters from these truths is through conversion, and degrees of segregation.

33 posted on 05/10/2005 2:00:07 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Grim

"There you go. Brilliant idea. Get rid of the people who disagree with you and then discuss the issues you have in common.

Perhaps we can burn a few heretics at the stake, too. That'll help."

Your sarcasm is unwarranted. Either you're not a Christian, or you don't follow church issues very closely, but denial of the fundamental tenets of the faith is a wide-ranging problem. I'm Episcopalian, and I can tell you that we've had more than one famous bishop who became an ATHEIST, but never relinquished his position in the church. That's just wrong. I can certainly understand (sadly) how someone can lose their faith, but if a priest does, the only honest thing to do is to step down from his position. The church is not and should not be an equal opportunity employer-- it is Christ's church, not ours, and its purpose is to do His business, not to fulfill our worldly goals.

Denial of the resurrection isn't quite as severe as becoming an atheist, but it's close. In fact, no one who cannot honestly say that they believe in everything stated in the Apostle's (or Nicene) Creed should hold any official position in any Christian church. Those creeds have always been, and still are, the fundamentals of the faith-- the Nicene since the Council of Nicea in, I think, something like 325 A.D. and the Apostle's creed pre-dates that by quite a long while-- it goes back very close to the very beginnings of the Christian church.


45 posted on 05/10/2005 4:18:02 PM PDT by walden
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To: Grim
here you go. Brilliant idea. Get rid of the people who disagree with you and then discuss the issues you have in common.

So you believe in endless debate with people who don't believe what the religion believes, but want to be considered part of the religion? *THIS* makes sense?
100 posted on 05/13/2005 7:06:17 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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