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Great Britain: White men may wait three years to get into the Metropolitan Police
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | May 8, 2005 | Nicole Martin

Posted on 05/08/2005 5:21:20 PM PDT by Stoat

White men may wait three years to get into the Metropolitan Police
By Nicole Martin
(Filed: 09/05/2005)

White men wanting to work for the country's largest police force are having to wait up to three years to join under a drive to make it more ethnically diverse.

Under Metropolitan Police rules, recruits waiting for a place at its training centre in Hendon, north London, are prioritised if they speak a second language or have "knowledge or experience of a community group". Government targets stipulate that 25 per cent of officers from the Met must be non-white by 2009. The proportion is currently around seven per cent, although ethnic minorities account for about 17 per cent of all new recruits.

The Met said it wanted to make the force as diverse as possible, but insisted that it did not operate a policy of positive discrimination towards ethnic minorities or other groups.

However, the Metropolitan Police Federation said the new recruitment rules, designed to ensure that the force mirrors the general working population, were "bound to cause resentment".

Glen Smyth, its chairman, said: "All forces have got challenging targets in terms of what make-up the force should be.

"And to try and achieve this they are putting in place policies to recruit more ethnic minorities as soon as possible.

"We have been advised by the Home Office that this does not break the law, but in trying to achieve something that in many ways is laudable they are at the same time discriminating against another group of people. This is not desirable."

Des Keenoy, the Metropolitan Police Federation's constables' chairman, said: "There is positive action which is legitimate, and positive discrimination which is not.

"The line between the two is getting very narrow indeed. The criteria for joining should be the same for all - can you do a very complicated and difficult job as well as the next person?

"We need diversity, we need an eclectic mix of skills and knowledge, but by focusing on certain elements it may be to the detriment of the service overall. It is a debate that needs to be had."

A spokesman for the Met insisted that its recruitment policies did not include "a lowering of standards or a rejection of suitable non-ethnic minority candidates".

He added: "Candidates may in future be prioritised on to intakes at Hendon by virtue of their 'life skills' and second languages, skills that will prove invaluable to the people of London."

But Martin Tiplady, the Met's human resources director, said: "There is the potential that some white males will have waited up to three years to get in."

In February, Sir Ian Blair, the force's commissioner, said it was considering using a quota system to raise the number of ethnic minorities.

He said his force could adopt a similar procedure to the quota system operated in Northern Ireland, where a policy of hiring an equal number of Catholic and Protestant officers applies to its police service.

But he said the use of positive discrimination would be a "last resort" if other measures failed.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; britain; diversity; greatbritain; police; race; racism; uk; unitedkingdom
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1 posted on 05/08/2005 5:21:22 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: Stoat

Sounds like applying for state government work in Ohio. White men need not apply.


2 posted on 05/08/2005 5:27:04 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Rick Nash will score 50 goals this season ( if there is a season)
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To: buccaneer81

I tried that in the late 70's- fresh out of college and was told I was of the wrong ethnicity and wrong gender. Went to Metzenbaum's office to complain and his secretary called me a liar. Walked out a devout conservative. So at least I have that going for me.


3 posted on 05/08/2005 5:32:37 PM PDT by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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To: Stoat

The notion that every profession should statistically mirror the "community" is absurd.
That is actually a severe prejudice.


4 posted on 05/08/2005 5:45:59 PM PDT by visualops (Leftists are lunatics.)
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To: buccaneer81; All
Sounds like applying for state government work in Ohio. White men need not apply.

And for where I am as well, The People's Republic of Seattle.

I would imagine that if they are willing to actually admit publicly to a 3 year wait based upon race, the actual reality is most likely 5-6 years.  Many honorable people will have their careers ruined or severely damaged as a result of this, just as has happened here in the USA.

In Police and Fire services, this sort of thing not only occurs where new recruits are concerned, but at every step of the advancement ladder as well.

I am acquainted with police officers who simply gave up on taking the Sergeant's exam, because they spent seven or more years scoring among the very top candidates but were always passed over by an 'ethnic' candidate very, very far down the scoring list.

In public service positions such as those in the fire and police services, what this ends up causing is a severe, systemic disenchantment and plummeting morale, as well as a marked degradation of the quality of service rendered unto the public.

It makes organizations such as fire and police services far more expensive to run (bigger crews needed on fire calls, more backup needed for police) and also does a profound disservice to the taxpaying public.  When you,  as a hardworking, taxpaying citizen have some sort of trouble in your life and dial 911, you expect and deserve to have a dedicated police officer, who fills the doorway and carried a big shotgun come to your aid or a husky firefighter who can sling you over his broad shoulder and carry you to safety if the case warrants it.

What we get with this sort of 'affirmative action' garbage is a puny, inarticulate and comparatively 'slow' officer or firefighter who needs three assistants to do the job that he / she should have been able to do on his / her own.

People die because of this kind of garbage.

5 posted on 05/08/2005 6:12:29 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

“People die because of this kind of garbage.”

Yes, and men lose the respect of their families because they can’t get a decent job.


6 posted on 05/19/2007 9:12:31 AM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: Stoat

“There is the potential that some white males will have waited up to three years to get in.”

and then when they do, they will be the scapegoats for everything.


7 posted on 05/19/2007 11:32:38 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: dsc
Yes, and men lose the respect of their families because they can’t get a decent job.

Agreed.  When I was applying as a firefighter to the City of Seattle, a Japanese friend of mine who had already gotten in (with lower test scores, and he's a puny guy...I'm a big, husky stoat and I was firefighter of the year in my volunteer department...I was no slouch) and he told me "don't even bother applying....they're not hiring white boys"

Nowadays, it doesn't happen "officially" anymore but there is still a LOT of anti-white and anti-male bias in hiring, promotion and everywhere else.  It's sick and it is a profound disservice to the taxpayer, who rightfully expects The Best firefighter or police officer to come to their aid in a time of need.

And, as you say, it wreaks havoc in families when 'unofficial' and 'unspoken' but very real barriers to hiring and advancement crush a hardworking family's dreams when all they want to do is to play by the rules and work hard and have reasonable expectations based upon their hard work.  It's awfully hard to tell the wife "well dear, I didn't make the Sergeant's exam again this time.  I was the top score again but they hired a black lesbian who was thirty points down the scoring list from me".

Stuff like that destroys people's lives and it's wrong, wrong, wrong.

"sigh"

(sorry about my venting)

8 posted on 05/19/2007 4:41:15 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: philetus
“There is the potential that some white males will have waited up to three years to get in.”

and then when they do, they will be the scapegoats for everything.

Yes.  May God Help you if you're working as a law enforcement officer and you have to shoot a black criminal.  It makes absolutely no difference whatsoever whether it was a justified shooting or not.  This could be a serial police killer who has drawn on you and has his finger on the trigger.  Makes no difference at all....your life will be a living hell for years and your career may not survive it.

9 posted on 05/19/2007 4:45:37 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: dsc
Nowadays, it doesn't happen "officially" anymore

Correction: I should have said "It doesn't happen "officially" in Washington State anymore (an anti-affirmative-action initiative was passed just a few years ago....but it wasn't passed in time to help me out when I was a viable fire service candidate) I can't speak to the hiring laws in other states.  It may well still be going on "officially" elsewhere.

10 posted on 05/19/2007 4:58:14 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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