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To: PzGr43
This is pretty much normal, mainly in women. They are just not wired-up that way.

I disagree on this part. In most animals, particularly mammals, the female becomes enraged and is willing to attack anyone when it comes to the protection of her children. Even a cute cuddly rabbit becomes the most vicious creature when it is mother doe thinks she is defending her babies. (I breed them and have many scratches to prove it.)

The problem is this "kill in defense" instict has been bred out of many people so they think it the job of a government agent to come to their rescue, and if they survive, it's the job of psychiatrist to help find meaning of the tragic event.

14 posted on 05/07/2005 10:44:56 AM PDT by two134711 (If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.)
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To: two134711
>>This is pretty much normal, mainly in women. They are just not wired-up that way.
>>
>I disagree on this part. In most animals, particularly mammals,
>the female becomes enraged and is willing to attack anyone when
>it comes to the protection of her children. Even a cute cuddly
>rabbit becomes the most vicious creature when it is mother doe
>thinks she is defending her babies. (I breed them and have many
>scratches to prove it.)
>

Female homo sapiens sapiens are not tigresses or Cape Buffalo cows.

The 'defense of their young' theme is oft repeated but under my observations the only reactions women have are combinations of

"scream" , "run away" , "grab my children and hug them" , shout "Please don't hurt my baby". They are quick to come to the response of the distress-call of the child but they just aren't that offensive. It's no accident that women's voices use the best frequencies for alarm calls.

Most behavioral traits / low-cortex drives in homo sapiens sapiens are the result of survival in hunter-gatherer groups of around thirty composing perhaps ten or eleven
adult males. It's likely that women herding the young and men attacking the attackers is a better modus operandi than tigress-type offensive tactics.

>The problem is this "kill in defense" instict has been bred out
>of many people so they think it the job of a government agent
>

'bred out' - I see what you are saying but I think I would choose different wording. It's not so much 'bred out' but 'dissipated'. Natural selection stopped working on our genes perhaps at the start of the Bronze age and in the twentieth century has nearly no effect at all. The more useless genes are not being eliminated with each turn of the evolutionary wheel and are thus becoming a higher proportion of the gene pool in comparison to the original hunter-gatherer gene pool which was left to us. Genes which would not have survived in the hunter-gatherer units are being preserved.


It's not present in all men either. I have met some who are real jellies. And women can be conditioned to some extent: There were some very successful and horribly brutal women's units in the Soviet Army.


>to come to their rescue, and if they survive, it's the job
>of psychiatrist to help find meaning of the tragic event
>

Too true.

Just give 'em two aspirin and tell 'em that after they have whacked a few more people, they wont notice it any more.

I remember meeting and Sikh gentlemen some time back. He had took part in the nastiness of partition in 1947 and he said he remembered the first time he killed another man with a sword in battle. He was frightened and he did not hit him hard enough. The guy was rolling around on the floor, screaming and begging him not to kill him. Which he had to do, of course. After that, he must have killed scores of others, but does not remember any.
25 posted on 05/08/2005 12:48:30 PM PDT by PzGr43
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