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Stalin Gets New Statue
NewsMax ^ | 5/1/05 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 05/01/2005 12:48:31 PM PDT by wagglebee

Officials in Volgograd, Russia are planning to unveil a statue of Stalin next week as Russia celebrates the 60th anniversary of its victory over Nazi Germany, according to a report in the LA Times.

While some nod at the recognition of the key role he played in World War II, criticism predictably flows from Russia's small number of pro-democracy activists.

Alexander Bushkov, author of "Stalin: Throne of Ice," says, "Without Stalin, neither this Great Victory nor this country in general would have been possible. Those were heroic times, and such people will never be born again."

But Igor Dolutsky, author of a high school textbook banned for being too critical of both Russian President Vladimir V. Putin and Stalin, said that popular memories of the dictator amounted to a myth that could do great harm in the future.

"The essence of this myth is that violence, terror and repression can be effectively used to build a great country," Dolutsky said. "I think that the return to Stalinist traditions is actually dangerous."

A recent poll by the All-Russian Public Opinion Research Center 20 percent of respondents described his role in the life of the country as "very positive" and 30 percent called it "somewhat positive." Only 12 percent described it as "very negative."

Stalin is an icon for those whose long for a stronger state and are angered by the post-Soviet loss of jobs and benefits.

Historians say that 10 million to 20 million people died in purges, famines, deportations and labor camps as a result of his policies from the time he rose to power in the mid-1920s until his death in 1953.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: communism; dictators; genocide; oppression; sovietunion; stalin; statue; worldwarii
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But Igor Dolutsky, author of a high school textbook banned for being too critical of both Russian President Vladimir V. Putin and Stalin, said that popular memories of the dictator amounted to a myth that could do great harm in the future.

"The essence of this myth is that violence, terror and repression can be effectively used to build a great country," Dolutsky said. "I think that the return to Stalinist traditions is actually dangerous."

I have a feeling that Putin admires Stalin a lot more than people realize.

1 posted on 05/01/2005 12:48:31 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee
Stalin is an icon for those whose long for a stronger state and are angered by the post-Soviet loss of jobs and benefits.

Oh, I see that they have Democrats, too.

2 posted on 05/01/2005 12:51:33 PM PDT by SIDENET (Yankee Air Pirate)
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To: wagglebee
Alexander Bushkov, author of "Stalin: Throne of Ice," says, "Without Stalin, neither this Great Victory nor this country in general would have been possible. Those were heroic times, and such people will never be born again."

The bastard should have his tongue torn out, his penis ripped out by the roots, and the one replaced by the other. In remembrance of Stalin, of course.

3 posted on 05/01/2005 12:52:14 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Grzegorz 246; jb6; RusIvan; Lukasz; Tailgunner Joe; PhilDragoo; sergey1973

Ping


4 posted on 05/01/2005 12:55:16 PM PDT by lizol
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To: wagglebee
Does the statue depict Stalin during the first weeks of the war when he was paralyzed by fear and indecision?
5 posted on 05/01/2005 12:55:59 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: SIDENET
Stalin is an icon for those whose long for a stronger state and are angered by the post-Soviet loss of jobs and benefits.

Oh, I see that they have Democrats, too.

You beat me to it. Quote Of The Day....LOL.

-Eric

6 posted on 05/01/2005 12:56:02 PM PDT by E Rocc (If God is watching us, the least we can do is attempt to be entertaining.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

wonder how his book deals with stalin cutting the initial deal with hitler? Was that a heroic act by stalin?


7 posted on 05/01/2005 12:56:12 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: Mike Darancette

I hear it looks like Hillary, when she threw that lamp.


8 posted on 05/01/2005 12:56:54 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: More atrocities have been perpetrated with a hot glue gun, than with a hand gun)
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To: flashbunny
Wonder how his book deals with stalin cutting the initial deal with hitler?

That's something that isn't noticed in polite leftist circles. Kind of like certain rude noises.

9 posted on 05/01/2005 12:58:03 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: wagglebee
Why not? We have a statue of Lenin in Fremont (U.S.S.Seattle).

Related thread.

10 posted on 05/01/2005 12:58:43 PM PDT by They'reGone2000 (Re-elect Rossi 2005!)
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To: Mike Darancette
Does the statue depict Stalin during the first weeks of the war when he was paralyzed by fear and indecision?
Naw, it shows him leading the Heroic People's Invasion of Poland, after he and Hitler agreed to divvy it up.

-Eric

12 posted on 05/01/2005 12:59:02 PM PDT by E Rocc (If God is watching us, the least we can do is attempt to be entertaining.)
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"Does the statue depict Stalin during the first weeks of the war when he was paralyzed by fear and indecision?"

Probably doesn't show Hitler and Ribbentrop laughing at him and Molotov either -- for being such suckers. Nor will it show Stalin treating his own soldiers so harshly and unjustly that they went over to the Wehrmacht. And the statue sure won't show Stalin's country getting bailed out of its chronic economic weakness by decades of aid from free enterprise states like America.

13 posted on 05/01/2005 1:10:03 PM PDT by Bonaparte (Of course, it must look like an accident...)
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To: wagglebee
THE GOLDEN BOYS









14 posted on 05/01/2005 1:17:31 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Komrade Bushkov has not met Komrade Hillary...yet.


15 posted on 05/01/2005 1:23:37 PM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: wagglebee

Historians say that 10 million to 20 million people died in purges, famines, deportations and labor camps as a result of his policies from the time he rose to power in the mid-1920s until his death in 1953.
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I thought that figure looked a bit low. According to this (very interesting site) it most likely is:
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm


16 posted on 05/01/2005 1:27:58 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/foundingoftheunitedstates.htm)
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To: E Rocc

Stalin and German Foreign Minister sign pact on August 23, 1939 (Hitler invaded Poland one week later).

Hitler and Soviet Foreign Minister in November, 1940 (before Hitler launched his invasion of the Soviet Union).

Stalin was not a "hero", he and Hitler conspired to divide Europe, Stalin was just unable to realize that Hitler would later turn on him. Stalin eventually fared much better in convincing his fellow communist FDR to allow him to have Eastern Europe.

17 posted on 05/01/2005 1:33:05 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

By the by, Mr. Ramsbotham, I believe Hillary was naturally endowed with the physical reassignment, you proffer for Bushkov.


18 posted on 05/01/2005 1:33:31 PM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: wagglebee

Excellent post!


19 posted on 05/01/2005 1:35:32 PM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: Treader
Isn't it down right scary and amazing that a man responsible for the tyranny and murder of 20 million people is looked upon as favorable by 50% of the Russian population?

I'd like to believe this poll is skewed, but it just goes to show how revisionist history in schools world-wide along with the commie loving left wing manipulative press glosses over Stalin's cruelty and despotism just like they do with Castro, Mugabe and dozens of other dictator murderers.

Sobering and sad.... And I'm mad!

20 posted on 05/01/2005 1:53:03 PM PDT by demkicker (Support DeLay, the Hammer, and the filibuster ban on judicial nominations!)
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