Israel And Freedom For Jonathan Pollard

"I guess the only real question is whether Israel can be defined as an enemy, for the purposes of treason."

Kabar says this in post above. I note the words "defined as a enemy, for the purposes of treason".

Kabar presumes the treason prejudicially and then redefines "enemy" to make it fit. Used to be, and still is in treadbare but still legit corners, that definitions of things applied in law have a constancitty, a timelessness. The legal definition of some key things doesn't change willy nilly with the tides of fashion, the whimsy of fad or the zeitgeist of the era.

Yet today such key, bedrock, fundamental definitions are in flux and tatters over the whole field, plain to plain. "Marriage", for example, what is it under the LAW you hold so in what approached idolatry, rlmorel?

In California, in Massachussets, in New Jersey -- what is it? To men and women of moral memory and steeped in traditional common sense it is one thing -- the constant thing it ever has been. A sacred contract between a man and woman.

To those in the big field of the times it is something else now. It is -- well -- whatever. A contract between whomever or whatever for no particularly special, unique purpose beyond what any trifling commericial affliation or apartment-roomie tenancy might acheive.

Which camp are you in, rlmorel? Are you for the LAW in Massachussetts? It is the product of a represenative republic.

Or in Florida -- the LAW, as passed by legislature there, redefines "artifical means of eating" as using a spoon or fork, or nearly so. By that LAW, a duely serving Judge issued an order to murder an innocent: Terri Schindler. And did. No hero stopped that murder, nor did any of the empty legal process, or hollow-idol laws you worship protect her.

Not that the LAW should be such -- yet when men, individuals, shrug off individual Liberty, they also let waste their ability to take such moral actions motive in correcting mistakes in the law and process. And such inaction, ignorance of individual judgement in every moment, denial of Liberty, of the Duty of the Individual, makes any law, no matter how well-founded and thoughtfully prepared -- a tyrant.. An empty idol.

I also wrote that Pollard may have been guilty of treason if some of the information was sold to the Soviets. Israel was and is not considered an enemy. The redacted testimony from Weinberger may contain such allegations. In any event, I favor keeping Pollard in jail for life.

Bullshit, bvw. You have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about. You are one of those people who whines and moans about the state of things, but have no idea of what the actual causes of it are.

The laws regarding homosexual marriage in Massachusetts are not the result of legal decisions by representative government, they are the result of judicial activism. I should know, I live there.

I'm not sitting on my ass whining about it, I am taking it to my legally elected (though distastefully so, in my opinion) officials. I despise the politics of Kennedy, Kerry, Frank et al, but I am not going to just cry about it and say I am going to break the law because I disagree with it. I am going to do everything in my power to change it legally.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You use the word "idolatry" presumably in reference to my reverence for what should be the law. My reverence is for the Constitution of the United States, and what that implies, not for the judicial activism that is an abortion of that document.

Perhaps you should read "The Road to Serfdom" or "The Case for Democracy" or maybe even "The Gulag Archepelago" to see where your ideas would take us, if we are lucky and avoid even worse.

You continue to argue that this has to do with Liberty when you really mean liberty.

Ironic though, as I believe this is payback for the 200 casualities of the U.S.S. Liberty.

I meant Liberty. You meant Ignorant Grudge.

The casualities of the US Liberty were due to our own poor judgement of putting a lone ship in a war zone. There was a US Marine just exonerated today, iirc. He shot an Iraqi prisoner under smaller scale but smaller circumstances. In war, sometimes shooting must happen first and questions resolved later.

Interesting.