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S. 786 National Weather Services Duties Act of 2005 (Introduced in Senate)
Thomas ^ | 4/14/05 | Rick Santorum

Posted on 04/27/2005 6:55:38 PM PDT by WFTR


National Weather Services Duties Act of 2005 (Introduced in Senate)

S 786 IS1S

(Star Print)

109th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. 786

To clarify the duties and responsibilities of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the National Weather Service, and for other purposes.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

April 14, 2005

Mr. SANTORUM introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation


A BILL

To clarify the duties and responsibilities of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the National Weather Service, and for other purposes.

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

SEC. 2. DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF NATIONAL OCEANIC AND ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION AND NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE.

SEC. 3. REPORT ON MODIFICATION OF NATIONAL OCEANIC AND ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION AND NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ACTIVITIES.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; govwatch; nws; ricksantorum; s786; ussenate; weather
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I like to check weather forcasts online, and I ran across a link today at one of my favorite websites asking that I call my senators to oppose this bill. To read some of the discussion at the website, you'd think that the sky was falling around the National Weather Service. When I arrived home, a non-political e-mail list to which I belong had an e-mail urging us to act to stop the bill. I went to Thomas and read the bill. From everything I can see, the whole thing is a tempest in a teapot. I don't see anything in the bill that changes how the weather service will do its work.

A part of me suspects that some of the people screaming about this bill are just liberals who want to take a shot at Rick Santorum. They want to portray the senator as trying to make citizens less safe and less informed about the weather and more under the power of the senator's evil corporate friends at private weather services. Personally, I think the bill's language would keep the government from showing favoritism to any private companies.

Admittedly, the bill says that the weather service doesn't exist to compete with the private sector, and liberals always get the vapors when someone suggests the government not dominating the private sector. I guess I just have a hard time thinking that people would really make this big a deal over that semantic issue.

Much of my reason for making this post is the hope that others can educate me about anything else behind the issue. I know that we have some Freepers with training in meteorology. I've also found in general that one or two Freepers somewhere will know something about any subject that arises. I'm hoping those Freepers will post some good background.

Thanks,

Bill

1 posted on 04/27/2005 6:55:47 PM PDT by WFTR
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To: WFTR
I don't see anything in the bill that changes how the weather service will do its work.

It would shut down NWS web sites for one. Do you want to go back to getting all your info from NOAA weather radio only unless you subscribe to a pay site?

2 posted on 04/27/2005 6:58:31 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: WFTR

SEC. 4 The Weather Service shall prepare all forecasts to be relayed in automated voices that will make it difficult for ordinary people to dicipher.


3 posted on 04/27/2005 7:01:05 PM PDT by jwalburg (If I have not seen as far as others, it is because of the giants standing on my shoulders.)
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To: WFTR

It looks like this bill provides free access to weather information for commercial resellers of such information but prohibits dissemination to the public that would compete with such resellers. It does not appear that commercial resellers would be required to pay for such information. Currently, such information is disseminated to the public by the government. Remember, our taxes pay for this information. Sounds like someone bought this legislation.


4 posted on 04/27/2005 7:02:59 PM PDT by Agog
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To: FreedomCalls
It would shut down NWS web sites for one.

Where does it say that?

5 posted on 04/27/2005 7:04:49 PM PDT by Kretek
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To: FreedomCalls
This is the question - should the taxpayer be forced to pay twice for weather information? First via his taxes that support the Weather Service. And second, via a subscription to the Weather Channel, which seeks to become the sole provider of information generated by the Weather Service.

Some folks might object to such an arrangement. I can't say I blame them.
6 posted on 04/27/2005 7:07:21 PM PDT by Teplukin
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To: WFTR
Lots of good info and commentary on this thread.
7 posted on 04/27/2005 7:07:51 PM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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Here's my beef with this: The Secretary of Commerce shall not provide, or assist other entities in providing, a product or service (other than a product or service described in subsection (a)(1)) that is or could be provided by the private sector

... and then you say:
and liberals always get the vapors when someone suggests the government not dominating the private sector.

Well, maybe you think I'm a liberal, but consider this:
This comes about because weather sites and Weather channel, etc. complained about the new way that NOAA now gives out data to the public.
Check out this link for details on that.
That's what Santorum wants to shut down.

The bottom line is that we taxpayers have already paid for every bit of the cost of collecting and interpreting that data. It's public information, or aleast it ought to be..
TWC, et al, have been using it to make money for years. I don't begrudge them that, but why should they have the only outlet?

Why should they have the use of my tax dollars to make profit for them, and disallow me from using that data?

8 posted on 04/27/2005 7:07:58 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: WFTR

This sets back all the progress that has been made in making the NWS consumer and user-friendly. You can bet the goobers at The Weather Channel are just salivating at the chance to make a profit if this falls through and becomes law. If this indeed falls through, I am going to stop contributing weather spotting reports to the Skywarn system.


9 posted on 04/27/2005 7:09:33 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Matthew 16:18)
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To: WFTR
Did you ever wonder why it was for so many years that you couldn't buy a pen or paper, or a large envelope at the local post office?

The reason was a small group in the Senate and House who used this argument of "unfair competition" to prohibit the USPS (and before it the POD) from handling stationary, or anything but post cards and small envelopes.

It didn't matter that you lived 20 miles from any kind of commercial center, didn't own a car, and were otherwise unable to find, to say nothing of purchase those goods.

Well, they're back ~ only this time they want to reserve Weather Service information for commercial vendors.

Are they getting anything out of it? Probably not, but someone has convinced them that private competition is damaged when a federal agency does the job for which it was formed.

10 posted on 04/27/2005 7:09:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kretek
"It would shut down NWS web sites for one."

Where does it say that?

Right here:

The Secretary of Commerce shall not provide, or assist other entities in providing, a product or service (other than a product or service described in subsection (a)(1)) that is or could be provided by the private sector

11 posted on 04/27/2005 7:10:44 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
This comes about because weather sites and Weather channel, etc. complained about the new way that NOAA now gives out data to the public. Check out this link for details on that. That's what Santorum wants to shut down.

Right. The Weather Channel is charging for their service, called Notify. You have to have a text enabled cellphone to use the damn thing. Around here where I live, that won't work. That's fine by me.

12 posted on 04/27/2005 7:11:58 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Matthew 16:18)
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To: Agog
Sounds like someone bought this legislation.

Joel Myers, the dispicable, evil, lying head of AccuWeather, did so with contributions to Santorum.

13 posted on 04/27/2005 7:12:41 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: BigSkyFreeper
The Weather Channel is charging for their service, called Notify. You have to have a text enabled cellphone to use the damn thing.

And I don't have a problem with that. Presumably, TWC adds some value to it.

But they're using data that I paid for already, and then want to tell me that I can't use it anymore.

14 posted on 04/27/2005 7:15:32 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Strategerist
Joel Myers, the dispicable, evil, lying head of AccuWeather, did so with contributions to Santorum.

That's unfortunate because I've found AccuWeather's storm track Nexrad to be very valuable. I'd hate to have to pay for it in the future.

15 posted on 04/27/2005 7:16:25 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Matthew 16:18)
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To: Izzy Dunne
The real scandal is not the NWS and "free data", but monopolies like NLDN which was 100% taxpayer funded research and implementation (Thanks NASA), turned over to a company that patented the technology, that now charges horrendous fees for the data, and is now owned by a foreign corporation.

Hows that for a "Bend over Mr. Taxpayer" ???

**NLDN is the National Lightning Detection Network

16 posted on 04/27/2005 7:16:39 PM PDT by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

They're charging for same information you could get free elsewhere. Yeah, they're adding a value to it. They're the only ones making a quick buck.


17 posted on 04/27/2005 7:18:05 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Matthew 16:18)
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To: WFTR
Bill,

Here is 2 other threads that have discussed the topic recently:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1388509/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1389800/posts

The way I read the bill the NWS and NOAA will continue to fund equipment and gather data but will be prohibited from publishing it to the public in a manner that competes with a product a commercial service offers.

Say by by to radar, satellite photos, and other weather information on NOAA and NWS websites if this bill passes.
18 posted on 04/27/2005 7:22:21 PM PDT by simon says what
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To: WFTR

The very informative posts here make me think it would be well worth while to make those calls to our senators. It's a tax-payer rip-off.


19 posted on 04/27/2005 7:23:15 PM PDT by edweena
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To: Strategerist
Contributions from individuals whose employer/occupation is ACCUWEATHER to Santorum.

http://www.tray.com/cgi-win/x_candempoccdet.exe?DoFn=&sEmployer=ACCU%20WEATHER&rb=04&CandID=S4PA00063
20 posted on 04/27/2005 7:29:47 PM PDT by simon says what
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