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Today: Clueless Katie Worries Leaders Guided by Religious Faith Violate "Church-State Separation"
The Today Show | governsleast governsbest

Posted on 04/26/2005 4:40:31 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

Edited on 04/26/2005 5:02:02 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

With several news reports popping up in recent days documenting the decline of the The Today Show, Katie Couric seemed to be treading on eggshells this morning in her discussion of religion in politics.

She lacked her usual venom in attacking conservatives and 'the religious right.' But despite her attempts at self-restraint, her liberal light ultimately shone through.

The segment opened with a report of how Dems are trying to compete for religious voters. Did you know, for example, that House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has formed a "Faith Working Group?" Gag me with a PC- translation gospel.

And in a statement that should chill traditional Catholics to the bone, Howard Dean was shown proclaiming that "the social program of the Dem party is almost identical to social program of Catholic church." With the minor exception of the killing of 40 + million babies since 1973, I guess.

In to discuss the issue was former Clinton mouthpiece Dede Meyers and the perpetually bow-tied Tucker Carlson, whom Katie by the way described as a "conservative" commentator. Wonder when Katie last described any of her guests as a liberal?

Exposing her profound cluelessness, Katie asked "is courting Christian conservatives or people of faith the new frontier?"

As Carlson aptly noted, "it's the old frontier," pointing out how Dems often campaign in black churches, and how Clinton would ostentatiously lug his Bible to church. Of course the tradition goes back much further than that. Anyone remember William Jennings Bryan, "Cross of Gold" speech of 1896, for example?

Even Dede had to agree with Carlson that appeals to religious voters are a time-honored American political tradition.

Katie seemed to be determined to suggest that there was something wrong or exclusive with Republican attempts to reach out to Christian conservatives.

Tucker rightly observed: "it's a simple fact that the most religious voters tend to vote Republican. And it's not a matter of a given faith. Joe Lieberman, an orthodox Jew, was far more popular among conservative Christians than other groups, showing it's more a matter of supporting someone of deep faith, rather than a matter of the particular faith involved."

Finally Katie could stand it no longer, and blurted out her real feelings in the guise of a question: "are Republicans overreaching by courting Christian conservatives too aggressively?" Of course Dede Meyers agreed.

Then came the clincher. Couric asked this profoundly ignorant question:

"What about the policy of separation of church and state that the Founding Fathers believed so deeply in? What role should religious beliefs play in decision making?"

As we know, there is no policy of separation of church and state. There is the Establishment Clause which, while providing that there shall be no established state religion, equally provides that nothing shall interfere with people's free practice of religion.

Beyond that, Katie seems to believe that it is somehow wrong or dangerous for politicians to be guided by their religious beliefs and that this somehow violates the Establishment Clause. How?

In any case by what would Katie like politicians to be guided if not by their most deeply-held moral convictions, founded in religion? Das Kapital? Mein Kampf? Alice in Wonderland? Silent Spring? Really, I ask, in Katie's mind, what should be the guiding light for people, including politicians, if not religion?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee
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1 posted on 04/26/2005 4:40:31 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; netmilsmom; Diogenesis; YaYa123; MEG33; ...

Today Show clueless-Katie ping.


2 posted on 04/26/2005 4:41:18 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

What were Miss Couric's comments when John Kerry and John Edwards appeared every Sunday in black churches during the presidential campaign?


3 posted on 04/26/2005 4:41:54 AM PDT by laconic
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Ah yes, more "don't do what we do" from the corrupt liberal estate.


4 posted on 04/26/2005 4:43:14 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: laconic

Exactly, and kudos to Carlson for pointing that out.


5 posted on 04/26/2005 4:43:41 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Couric was forced to be civil to Tucker since he's moving to his own program on MS NBC.......so he'll be a colleague.

Her venom will be unleashed in the future, count on it.

6 posted on 04/26/2005 4:44:04 AM PDT by OldFriend (MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
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To: laconic
Its alright for Democrats to shamelessly exploit religion but we're headed for a theocracy if Republicans connect with socially conservative voters.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
7 posted on 04/26/2005 4:44:43 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest



This is my favorite line

""And in a statement that should chill traditional Catholics to the bone, Howard Dean was shown proclaiming that "the social program of the Dem party is almost identical to social program of Catholic church." With the minor exception of the killing of 40 + million babies since 1973, I guess.""


Great article!!


8 posted on 04/26/2005 4:44:47 AM PDT by LauraleeBraswell ( We must stand behind TOM DELAY!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I've said it a dozen times here; Katie's really dumb. I don't mean "man, she's a liberal, she must be dumb". I mean "she's just plain stupid".


9 posted on 04/26/2005 4:44:52 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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Couric was forced to be civil to Tucker since he's moving to his own program on MS NBC.......so he'll be a colleague.

I didn't know that. Interesting info that surely helps explain Katie's relative civility this morning.

10 posted on 04/26/2005 4:46:08 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Gag me with a PC- translation gospel.

LOL!

glgb, thanks for your daily round-up. It's always interesting and entertaining.

11 posted on 04/26/2005 4:46:15 AM PDT by jigsaw (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: laconic

Not to mention Democratic candidate "Reverend" Al Sharpton. Not to mention John Kerry, former altar boy who carried his rosary in Vietnam.... Funny how religious discussion is only troubling when it comes from the conservative side.


12 posted on 04/26/2005 4:46:24 AM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Heaven forbid that anyone should be guided by morality and ethics.

As far as Dean is concerned, he is a great asset to the GOP, and all conservatives in general.

Tucker needs to lose the bow tie to be taken seriously. 8^)


13 posted on 04/26/2005 4:46:46 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

"As Carlson aptly noted, "it's the old frontier," pointing out how Dems often campaign in black churches..."

Really? Does the IRS know about this?


14 posted on 04/26/2005 4:47:16 AM PDT by OpusatFR (I live in a swamp and reuse, recycle, refurbish, grow my own, ride a bike and vote GOP)
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Couric was forced to be civil to Tucker since he's moving to his own program on MS NBC

Unfortunately, the reverse is also true, Carlson couldn't upset the franchise. I would love it if someone would go on that show and call her a moronic diva.

15 posted on 04/26/2005 4:47:35 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
As I mentioned on FR yesterday, the Left is getting so good at taking moral issues (e.g., homosexual marriage), politicize them, and then telling the world that there is a wall between politics and moral teachings. The further we march down the path of accepting such an 'orthodoxy' on these matters, the closer we come to excommunicating certain people of faith from participation in the public square.
16 posted on 04/26/2005 4:48:24 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The only governments that have ever had true separation, in the sense that the leadership had no religious values, have been the communist states. But I guess that's the whole point of what's trying to be accomplished.


17 posted on 04/26/2005 4:48:44 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

"...Tucker Carlson, whom Katie by the way described as a "conservative" commentator. Wonder when Katie last described any of her guests as a liberal?"

When everyone at the party is named Bob, there's no need for introductions.


18 posted on 04/26/2005 4:50:59 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: Numbers Guy
Katie's really dumb.

My biggest beef with Katie isn't her ignorance, but I must admit that deep dumbness was on display this morning.

19 posted on 04/26/2005 4:51:50 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Consider too that the dems are now trying to portray themselves as religious! Caught between the old rock and a hard place.

As for the mention of Schaivo, too bad Carlson didn't mention the Dean comment that he's saving Terri Scaivo to 'use' against the republicans later on.

What a loathsome comment.

20 posted on 04/26/2005 4:51:56 AM PDT by OldFriend (MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
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