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Honda Offers Retail Natural Gas Vehicle (Civic GX sedan)
AP Auto Writer ^ | April 21st 2005 | Dee Ann Durbin

Posted on 04/21/2005 7:25:16 PM PDT by ajolympian2004

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To: El Gato; ajolympian2004

>> I suspect a diesel-electric hybrid with regen brakes
>> and solar assist could easily best this Honda gassy.

> Yes, but it would cost a whole lot more.

That's not clear to me (I'm willing to be mistaken).
Keep in mind that after trying all sorts of stuff, the
railroads, where they weren't already pure electric,
went to diesel-electric 60 years ago and never looked
back. Their latest, the "Green Goat" yard switcher,
still uses diesel to charge the running batteries.

> More equipment. A more expensive engine to produce,

Why would a diesel IC engine be substantially different
from an NG IC engine in that regard.

> The batteries would end up making it heavier, thus
> requiring heavier springs and shocks.

For vehicles of comparable size and weight, the only
real difference would be the engine and tank, and my
guess is that diesel's high energy density actually
allows a smaller tank than LNG.

> You might not get all that much better $/mile,
> especially if considering total cost of ownership
> (more stuff to break as well as higher initial cost)

That's quite likely already true for this new hybrid,
and any "new" technology auto.

We looked at gasoline-electrics (Civic and Prius)
before buying the TDI. Real-world reports suggested
that batteries and cold weather gave lie to the
claimed mpg figures. The TDI figures were lies too,
but within expected tolerances. On the whole, we
have no regrets about going pure diesel, but I keep
an eye on developments.

This news article strikes me as another GM EV1
"PC car", whose economics rely on politics, and
not physics.


21 posted on 04/21/2005 8:10:58 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45
Just dang! All the Libs are gonna jump onto that bandwagon, i guarantee it.

At a used car lot at the edge of town

A liberal guy and a liberal gal

Buy a ...............Yugo.......er Honda?

22 posted on 04/21/2005 8:21:22 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Southack

"Exchanging propane tanks would certainly be faster than waiting 8 hours to refill your NG tank."

NG is not LPG. Must use a tiny gas compressor to go from a few ounces to maybe 3,000 psi + in eight hours.


23 posted on 04/21/2005 8:23:19 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: toothfairy86
I was in Macedonia this past summer...

Isn't that near Iraq? Sounds like a 6,000 mile drive.

24 posted on 04/21/2005 9:25:52 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Boundless
The batteries would end up making it heavier, thus requiring heavier springs and shocks.

Yup. All the hybrid-praising folks do not understand these considerations. Too bad few folks have ever taken a physics class. In addition, there is the issue of the batteries... being what, recycled, or dumped in a lake. (shaking head and rolling eyes).

25 posted on 04/21/2005 9:31:03 PM PDT by Cobra64
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