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Posted on 04/20/2005 10:11:18 PM PDT by hipaatwo
How many people using false identities have been employed by the Defense Department? Are some illegal aliens?
As of now, the government does not have definitive answers to these questions.
Unfortunately, they need to be asked because, on March 29, the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) of the Social Security Administration published an audit report revealing that Defense, plus the Coast Guard (which is a component of the Department of Homeland Security), filed nearly 6,400 W-2 forms between 1997 and 2002 that could not be matched to known taxpayers and thus had to be dumped into what SSA calls the Earnings Suspense File (ESF).
(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...
Perhaps. However, what would seem a somewhat more serious problem, in the civilian workforce at DoD at least, is their most/many of them working under delusions of adequacy.
"is their most/many of them working under delusions of adequacy."
What are you saying? This makes no sense.
This view is based in large part on my experience as a contractor writing sundry software over 25+ years for 1) TSARCOM (DoD), 2) McDonnell-Douglas (now Boeing), and 3) CMSAD at Scott AFB across the river.
The huge majority of the military personnel I've met knew more or less exactly what they were about. The same cannot be said for the large majority of the civilian personnel I encountered during the completion of these various contracts.
Apologies for any poor or confusing phrasing in the preceding mssg.
It's a typical knock against civil servants being less than perfect employees. This type of thing generally comes from a military person or a contractor who used to be a military person.
Down here, we talk about 'civil servant' being a highly indescriptive term, since civil servants are neither...civil, nor servile. Actually, that came from my co-workers who were DoD civilians.
I'm pinging the Border List to this one, but want to make an observation that I don't think the article makes. The ESF was in the news about 6 weeks ago and many of the thousands of records in it do belong to illegals. The military and DoD civilians are also represented there, but are a different problem.
With temporary duty stations, high divorce rates, lack of accurate forwarding addresses, and assignments to combat zones, these people do sometimes outrun their W-2s. I'd be very careful before trying to make the link between DoD and the hiring of illegal aliens as DoD civilians. To start with, it's extremenly difficult to obtain a SECRET security clearance, which most have, without citizenship. Obtaining the clearance always involves a National Agency Check through the FBI and the NCIC.
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I started today at 0800 and left at 1900. My days are recently like that. 80% of my counterparts (mostly men, engineers) spend 3 out of four weeks on the road, installing new equipment on ships. Some of these people have to work in remote locations away from their families for weeks at a time.
Having said that however, I will agree with you that there are probably 20 - 25% of federal employees who totally take advantage of the system - flexitime and a lack of accountability, as well as the dreaded union, have let a great many get away with a bunch of crap for work - also the pass/fail system. The internet is a great tool but also addictive as you know esp FR. At the command where I worked until recently, we had a guy who ran a "side" construction business while getting paid by the government. He actually sat at his desk w/ his cell phone to his ear - which everyone knew the gov't didn't pay for. Management was infomred by some of us but chose to ignore it. In another case, a man with whom I worked took his wife and mother on his TDYs and then made his mother pay for 1/2 of the room. He also turned in, while on TAD, his wifes dry cleaning as well as his own. And at a class reunion, I had someone dress me down becuase his sister in law worked at the same place as me...apparently she bragged about "BOONDOGGLE" Fridays when she took off for the afternoon to shop.
"With temporary duty stations, high divorce rates, lack of accurate forwarding addresses, and assignments to combat zones, these people do sometimes outrun their W-2s. I'd be very careful before trying to make the link between DoD and t"he hiring of illegal aliens as DoD civilians."
Where I work, you have to be degreed and be able to prove it. We have no illegal aliens - hispanics - working where I do as they need to speak english but we have a number of asians whose first language was NOT english, and I daresay I undersand the hispanics better.
Really? H1B visas, perhaps?
The ESF article awhile back said that there were 5 major industry groups represented by the bulk of the entries in the ESF - hospitality, agriculture, dining, food processing plants, and I forget the other. Get the picture?
LOL!!!!I know the feeling.
HiJinx,
You need to get that list of the 5 major industry groups faxed to V. Fox. I have heard that he claims the ESF money for Mexico. This money is talked about here on our talk radio and you would think that all of the money is sitting in a pile waiting for someone to claim it. Mexico is really trying to figure out a way to claim it.
What money? The only thing sitting in the ESF is paper receipts.
That money has already been spent by Washington!
Oops! Forgot my TM*
Apologies for any poor or confusing phrasing in the preceding mssg.
Isn't this like the "pot calling the kettle black". You rant and rave about adequacy, yet you can't convey such a trivial point.
You got it, I'm one of those pencil pushing idiots you referred to. It also seems like you can't keep a job very long.
Darn good question.
I'll link it to the Linkmeister's thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1380062/posts
Thunder on the Border-- (Minuteman Project) --by backhoe
As regards holding a job, I've run a software design and consulting company continuously since 1977, and have written numerous articles, commentaries, and a book on the subjects of markets and trading. Not too difficult staying busy.
Yep, as you say, it's that 20-25-30%. At some point, someone is going to have to think rather seriously about a revision of the civil service rules.
Why are you blaming him if you fit into that fraction of worthless employees?
Why are you blaming him if you fit into that fraction of worthless employees?
Perhaps I do fit into that category, but folks that make that kind of a statement without knowing anything about a person's background are usually categorized as assholes. Does that fit for you.
I'm damn proud of my 20+ years pf military service and 15 plus years of civil service.
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