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Innocents take hits in gun culture
Denver Post ^ | 20 Apr 05 | Jim Spencer

Posted on 04/20/2005 9:39:11 AM PDT by real saxophonist

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1 posted on 04/20/2005 9:39:12 AM PDT by real saxophonist
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I'm not even a rabid pro-gun person--never owned one, don't want one, someone in my family was almost killed by a nut with one--but this article is Exhibit A in Strained Logic. Someone commits a crime with a gun, and Nugent approving of gun use is somehow connected, in some fuzzy way, somehow... Uh, ok.


2 posted on 04/20/2005 9:42:50 AM PDT by Darkwolf (Jean Shepherd audio: http://www.flicklives.com/Mass_Back/mass_back.htm)
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I don't want to hear it. This is what happens when people are prohibited from owning firearms:

Worst possible case, having one or two innocent people nicked by stray bullets here and there is a small price to pay for not having places like Auschwicz or Belsen Bergen in your country. The odds are about like those of getting hit by lightning.

3 posted on 04/20/2005 9:44:30 AM PDT by tahotdog
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violence-mongering simpletons like Ted Nugent

I see this is an unbiased article! I stopped reading right there. No reason to continue.

4 posted on 04/20/2005 9:46:14 AM PDT by RockinRight (Conservatism is common sense, liberalism is just senseless.)
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To: real saxophonist

There should be a mega barf alert in the header :)


5 posted on 04/20/2005 9:46:30 AM PDT by beltfed308
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To: real saxophonist

"The NRA's hands-off approach to gun regulation ensures that hundreds of millions of weapons remain in American society..."

Well, them or the 2nd Amendment.


6 posted on 04/20/2005 9:47:17 AM PDT by Gefreiter (When seconds count, the police are minutes away.)
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"Remember the Alamo! Shoot 'em!" Nugent shouted. "To show you how radical I am, I want carjackers dead. I want rapists dead. I want burglars dead. I want child molesters dead. I want the bad guys dead. No court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead. Get a gun, and when they attack you, shoot 'em."

So what's wrong with this statement? I believe the same thing!

The Nuge for Senate! He moved to Texas recently and Hutchison is retiring IIRC...let's draft Ted!

7 posted on 04/20/2005 9:47:32 AM PDT by RockinRight (Conservatism is common sense, liberalism is just senseless.)
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Easy enough to remedy this situation. Which weapon did the bullet come from?

1) Citizen being robbed - civil suit for reckless endangerment. Assault charges if he drew the weapon and his life was not in danger.

2) Criminal who used a firearm in the commission of a crime. Go straight to jail, do not collect $200. Hopefully the criminal rights lobby won't get him free.

What does Ted Nugent and NRA members have to do with this? By that liberal windbag's logic the entire press should be banned because some 'journalists' fabricate stories.


8 posted on 04/20/2005 9:47:55 AM PDT by boofus
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"It would be interesting to hear violence-mongering simpletons like Ted Nugent explain to Anna Maria Moreno how guns keep you safe." -Jim Spencer

It would be interesting to hear crime-apologist Jim Spencer explain to an unarmed and vulnerable population how being unable to defend one's self is keeping them safe.
And if guns are so bad and crime-breeding, why do police have them then?
Or perhaps Mr. Spencer can explain to a rape victim that ballistically defending herself is more of a crime in his eyes than what the rapist did.

I guess in Mr. Spencer's world, everything is okay if you wish it away.


9 posted on 04/20/2005 9:48:18 AM PDT by Darksheare (You too can own your very own Bad Idea by Darksheare! Inquire within!)
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To: real saxophonist
The combatants fired a total of seven shots. None hit their intended targets.

Gun control means hitting the target... that is the first thing you gotta know.

11 posted on 04/20/2005 9:48:50 AM PDT by ikka
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She arrived after one man pulled a gun and opened fire on another who supposedly tried to steal his motorcycle. The alleged thief pulled his own piece and shot back, police say.

And were either of the shooters former felons who could not legally carry a concealed weapon? Gee, that isn't mentioned here for some STRANGE reason.

12 posted on 04/20/2005 9:48:56 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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Self-evident in the words 'Denver Post' and 'editorial'... 8~)


13 posted on 04/20/2005 9:49:11 AM PDT by real saxophonist (Jane Fonda might as well make her gravestone a urinal. Semper Fi)
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Gun culture .... yep, that derned gun culture. Stupid gun culture, Minutemen (not today's ones, but the 1776 ones) and all that. I wish the gun culture would be dismantled. /sarcasm


14 posted on 04/20/2005 9:49:45 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: RockinRight

I would pay to see this pantywaist call Nuge this to his face.


15 posted on 04/20/2005 9:50:37 AM PDT by printhead
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To: real saxophonist

This column ran on the anniversary of Columbine? Hey, let's get Michael Moor to "weigh" in while we're at it.


16 posted on 04/20/2005 9:50:55 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I'm not nearklym drunk enough tom deal with it. - FReeper Wormwood, 4/18/05)
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I doubt that the "Nuge" supports the right for criminals like that motorcycle thief to posess undoubtedly illegal guns any more than anyone else does. I suspect the bike's owner probably didn't own his gun legally either, and if he did he should have spent more time practicing. It is sad that people like Moreno get caught in situations like this, and exemplify the rule that you should always be sure of your backstop when employing a firearm, but I didn't see anything in there about a cop standing by to prevent that low-life from stealing that motorcycle. If the owner hadn't had a gun, he would probably still have tried to physically prevent the theif from stealing, and would have gotten killed for his trouble. Result, one dead kid, and the bike is stolen anyway. In this case, I see that the owner's gun prevented that theft.


17 posted on 04/20/2005 9:52:03 AM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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Nugent, a burned-out rocker and gun nut

How does someone who doesn't drink and has never done drugs become a burn-out?

18 posted on 04/20/2005 9:53:12 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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What a load of ... Life isn't fair. Bad things happen to innocents. More bad things happen to unarmed innocents.


19 posted on 04/20/2005 9:53:13 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: boofus

Re your point 1). In Texas it is legal to use deadly force to defend property. The suit for reckless endangerment might still fly, but the assault charge wouldn't. I think that might go for a few other states as well, though not sure about colorado.


20 posted on 04/20/2005 9:55:12 AM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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