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Workers attach chimney pipe to Sistine Chapel as Cardinals prepare for Monday Conclave
AP Wire (direct feed)
| April 15, 2005
| Nicole Winfield
Posted on 04/15/2005 6:21:11 AM PDT by NYer
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To: TX Bluebonnet
I believe the natural smoke from the ballots is white, and they add dye to make it turn black.
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posted on
04/15/2005 7:15:42 AM PDT
by
wideawake
(God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
To: NYer
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posted on
04/15/2005 7:20:00 AM PDT
by
Lazamataz
(Time Ebbs No Rankle)
To: TX Bluebonnet
I think it used to be wet hay=black smoke, dry hay=white smoke, but I admit I don't know for sure.
To: mike182d
"this is more exciting than I imagined!"
I couldn't agree more. I've been listening to Italian opera in anticipation.
For a little while, I was a bit in the dumps (and even struggling against temptations), but with some praying, Reconciliation, and the Holy Eucharist, I feel like an exploding firework!
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posted on
04/15/2005 9:19:32 AM PDT
by
SaltyJoe
(Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.)
To: NYer
"Two stoves, a new one and the original (R), sit ready for the conclave in the Vatican's Sistine Chapel, April 15, 2005."
I first thought that this new rule adding the bells now makes the "communication process" seem pretty silly. If the bells are a "sure sign", why keep going with the smoke "thingy". A little consideration though and I can see where redundancy for more assuredness is a good thing and besides, the smoke will still be an indicator that at least a vote has been taken even if a pope is not selected. That is something the absence of bell ringing would not tell.
That said, the presence of TWO stoves in the Sistine Chapel does seem ridiculous. I heat our house with one similar sized stove and I just can't figure out why they want to have two there. If the original is rusted out, take it out! Stoves are not that complicated that you would need two for redundancy.
To: Aggie Mama
"I think it used to be wet hay=black smoke, dry hay=white smoke, but I admit I don't know for sure"
I am quite confident that it has been done with chemical in at least the last couple of conclaves.
Incidentally, burning STRAW used to give off the white smoke I believe.
To: mike182d
The last two times, John Paul I and John Paul II I was able to watch the daily reports with black smoke, etc. It is exciting and fun. While I know this is such a holy obligation and task, it should be a joyful celebration of who we are in Christ Jesus. I hope they send up dozens of smoke signals -- maybe send out for pizza -- because with each one, we realize how far we've come to be able to celebrate our beliefs in peace and without worry that we'll be fed to the lions. I want a good person to keep Jesus' seat warm for His soon return.
To: NYer
They obviously can get a building permit faster than here in California.
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posted on
04/15/2005 10:19:24 AM PDT
by
CATravelAgent
(Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
To: SolomoninSouthDakota; mike182d; Constitutions Grandchild; CATravelAgent
You know its a slow news day when the media are this riveted to the installation of a smokestack.
Press photographers and news camera crews film workmen installing a new chimney on top of the Vatican's Sistine Chapel, April 15, 2005.
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posted on
04/15/2005 11:24:36 AM PDT
by
NYer
("America needs much prayer, lest it lose its soul." John Paul II)
To: wideawake
To: gridlock
I read the book of Shoes of the Fisherman, and thought it was pretty crummy. Besides, all the best pope fiction is in anti-papal polemics, modern and medieval.
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posted on
04/15/2005 11:36:24 AM PDT
by
Dumb_Ox
(Be not Afraid.)
To: Dumb_Ox
The story of the movie seems pretty silly, but apparently it does have a lot of genuine footage from inside the Vatican during a Papal Conclave. That alone makes it pretty interesting to watch.
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posted on
04/15/2005 11:46:17 AM PDT
by
gridlock
(ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
To: Dumb_Ox
You are wrong.
Read Lord of the World by Robert Hugh Benson.
Pro-pope fiction, quite entertaining.
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posted on
04/15/2005 12:03:00 PM PDT
by
wideawake
(God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
To: wideawake
Haven't read Benson yet. And I was especially wrong in saying that modern anti-papal polemics are better pope fiction. On further reflection, they're almost always run through the exact same Modernist Critique-o-matic(tm) essay writing tool.
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posted on
04/15/2005 1:13:09 PM PDT
by
Dumb_Ox
(Be not Afraid.)
To: NYer; All
Any thoughts anyone:
When a person is elected Pope, is he Pope from the time he accepts he election, or does officially become Pope when he is installed?
Also, this might be a little off-topic, but might the new Pope be crowned with a tiara, like so many before JPI?
(Here's an interesting fun fact: the last tiara made, for Pope Paul VI, is actually in America, at the Basillica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, DC.)
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posted on
04/15/2005 2:27:34 PM PDT
by
tlRCta
(St. Thomas More, Pray for Us! St. John Fisher, Pray for Us!)
To: tlRCta
When a person is elected Pope, is he Pope from the time he accepts he election Instantly.
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posted on
04/15/2005 3:23:11 PM PDT
by
Campion
To: NYer
Watching the crowd's reaction once the white smoke is visible through to the new Pope's blessing is awesome.
I cannot wait to see.
Trajan88
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posted on
04/15/2005 10:40:40 PM PDT
by
Trajan88
(www.bullittclub.com)
To: SolomoninSouthDakota
Burning the ballots is the way to permanently dispose of them. When the Church says secret ballot, it means secret ballot.
When the count is concluded, the ballots are sewn together and taken to the stove. if a pope has been elected the ballots are ignited and burned along with damp straw to produce white smoke. If the vote didn't produce a pope, the ballots are burned along with dry straw to produce black smoke.
The bell ringing is secondary and new to this conclave. Bells ringing only audibly affirms the white smoke signal. The color of the smoke is the primary indicator.
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posted on
04/18/2005 10:14:54 AM PDT
by
OriginalChristian
(Pope St. John Paul the Great, I like the sound of that...)
To: wideawake
To: georgevidal
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posted on
04/18/2005 6:40:00 PM PDT
by
wideawake
(God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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