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Illegals Blocking Marine Training
Newsmax ^ | 4/13/05

Posted on 04/13/2005 12:18:57 PM PDT by areafiftyone

Marines getting ready for combat in Iraq or Afghanistan are having their training time shortened because hordes of illegal aliens from Mexico are wandering onto their firing ranges in Arizona while crossing the border illegally.

According to the Boston Globe, the commanding officers of the Marine Corps Air Station in Yuma, Arizona explained that virtually every Marine squadron headed to Iraq or Afghanistan receives combat training at the station, which for nearly 40 miles touches the U.S.-Mexico border in the southwestern corner of Arizona.

Colonel James J. Cooney, the base's commanding officer, told the Globe that since July 2004, the training range has been shut down more than 500 times because of immigrants spotted on the range, causing a loss of more than 1,100 training hours.

"We're getting overrun here. Any moment we take away from a Marine's experience base could cost him his life in combat," Cooney said.

He added that his Marines intercepted more than 1,500 undocumented immigrants on the training range last year and, in the first three months of this year, more than 1,100. He said that base personnel detain the immigrants and call in Border Patrol agents to pick them up.

"I have to use Marines that aren't trained in that to do that, which puts me at a liability," Cooney said. "It's completely counterproductive to our whole training operation.

"We just don't want them to come here, because we're firing lasers, we're shooting machine guns, we're shooting 209-millimeter cannons, and we're dropping practice bombs."

The Globe reported that last summer a Marine pilot dropped a practice bomb on a target and seconds later, a few feet away, a small group of illegal immigrants scrambled from underneath a bush and ran down the range. The near miss was caught on a training tape that Cooney has reviewed.

So far the Marines said there have been no deaths of immigrants in the training exercises.

"My overall concern is that we'd have an unfortunate incident out there where we'd inadvertently harm an illegal entrant that we did not spot or see, and that in turn would cause a moratorium on training until we sorted out what exactly happened," said Cooney.

And it's not just the Marines having the problem. According to the Globe one Army base and another the Air Force base, have experienced similar problems.

At the Army Yuma Proving Ground, near the Marine Corps Air Station but about 30 miles north of the border, an increasing number of undocumented immigrants have invaded military space and disrupted training.

"The smugglers just drive them up the highway and dump them off, and these illegal immigrants stumble right onto our testing range," said Chuck Wullenjohn, spokesman for the Yuma Proving Ground, one of the largest military installations in the Western world which constantly conducts tests for ground forces on artillery and ammunition, including tank rounds, mines, mortars, and helicopter guns.

"Having anyone on this range that doesn't belong here is extremely dangerous," Wullenjohn told the Globe. "The illegal immigrant issue is becoming a bigger problem all the time."

The Air Force told the Globe it has had to interrupt exercises with F-16 pilots after undocumented immigrants were spotted on a bombing range east of Gila Bend, north of the border.

"In 2004 we suspended range operations 55 times for a net loss of 122 hours," said Jim Uken, director of the 56th Fighter Wing range management office.

There is the additional concern that foreign terrorists could cross the Mexican border and infiltrate the Arizona bases to conduct intelligence gathering or commit acts of sabotage.

"The potential exists, and that is a key reason we are vigilant about securing our training ranges," Col. Cooney told the Globe.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; marines; militarybases; training; yuma
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Don't ya think you we should call Hillary on this? After all she's supposed to care about this issue! (/sarcasm)
1 posted on 04/13/2005 12:18:59 PM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

Just call them reactive targets and conduct business as usual.


2 posted on 04/13/2005 12:20:49 PM PDT by boofus
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To: areafiftyone
My biggest fear is that terrorists would cross the border onto the base and start firing on the Marines.
3 posted on 04/13/2005 12:21:02 PM PDT by 12 Gauge Mossberg (I Approved This Posting - Paid For By Mossberg, Inc.)
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To: areafiftyone
Marines getting ready for combat in Iraq or Afghanistan are having their training time shortened because hordes of illegal aliens from Mexico are wandering onto their firing ranges in Arizona while crossing the border illegally.

I think the answer to this problem is obvious.

4 posted on 04/13/2005 12:21:10 PM PDT by jslade (People who are easily offended......OFFEND ME!)
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"....hordes of illegal aliens from Mexico are wandering onto their firing ranges...."

Um, soooo the problem is?

5 posted on 04/13/2005 12:21:39 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: areafiftyone

Who cares, just keep shooting.


6 posted on 04/13/2005 12:22:27 PM PDT by garyhope
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg

You don't have faith in the Marines to defend themselves?


7 posted on 04/13/2005 12:22:33 PM PDT by No-Compromise Conservative (Liberals don't compromise their beliefs, so why should conservatives?)
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To: Psalm 73

lol, ya beat me too that comment :)

Jeff


8 posted on 04/13/2005 12:22:50 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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Hey, Rummy, ya might pass this bit of info on to your boss...

Secure the borders, Mr. President and deport the illegals!
Ike did it, so can you!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


9 posted on 04/13/2005 12:23:07 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: SwinneySwitch; HiJinx; KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; ...

I know how to resolve the training problem AND the immigration problem with one shot.


10 posted on 04/13/2005 12:24:00 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: boofus

I know you are kidding. This is tempting to say, but the career effect on the jet driver that drops that bomb or fires those rounds could be severe. Wipe out some nice "immigrant" family, and every RAT in Congress will be in full attack mode with you as the target.


11 posted on 04/13/2005 12:24:31 PM PDT by blau993 (Labs for love; .357 for Security.)
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To: areafiftyone

If one of these illegals get shot accidently, I hope the Left doesn't try too bring up murder charges on these Marines, but I have a gut feeling , they would try it.

Jeff


12 posted on 04/13/2005 12:24:35 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg

I believe the fear will be instilled in the terrorists in that scenario.

I have no problem testing that theory :)


13 posted on 04/13/2005 12:24:47 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: areafiftyone; HiJinx; SheLion

BTTT


14 posted on 04/13/2005 12:24:54 PM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: areafiftyone

That does it, shut down the Marines right now. </sarcasm


15 posted on 04/13/2005 12:25:12 PM PDT by flutters (God Bless The USA)
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To: areafiftyone

Open the whole border to Marine training and don't stop for anyone!


16 posted on 04/13/2005 12:25:34 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: No-Compromise Conservative
You don't have faith in the Marines to defend themselves?

If they have insufficient training and lack of access to their weapons (or ordered to hold their fire) due to illegals crossing, then yes, the situation could get ugly. I'm not saying the Marines there can't defend themselves, but they'll be pretty much sitting ducks.

17 posted on 04/13/2005 12:26:21 PM PDT by 12 Gauge Mossberg (I Approved This Posting - Paid For By Mossberg, Inc.)
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To: areafiftyone

Adjust, fire for effect. Problem solved.


18 posted on 04/13/2005 12:26:24 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: MississippyMuddy

That's exactly what I was going to post: If one illegal is shot/injured, people would be screaming about how we have to protect them, and of course there'd have to be a full investigation into the Marines, which might interrupt training...

That's why the problem has to be solved. This article is an important one.


19 posted on 04/13/2005 12:27:08 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (News junkie here)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Indeed it is.


20 posted on 04/13/2005 12:27:48 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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