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Sacred constant might be changing
Institute of Physics (via eureka alert) ^ | 10-Apr-2005 | David Reid(?)

Posted on 04/12/2005 6:41:33 AM PDT by flevit

Physical constants are one of the cornerstones of physics – sacred numbers which we know to be fixed – but what if some of these constants are changing? Speaking at the Institute of Physics conference Physics 2005, Dr Michael Murphy of Cambridge University will discuss the "fine structure constant" – one of the critical numbers in the universe which seems to be precisely tuned for life to exist – and suggest that it might not be constant after all.

Dr Murphy has used the largest optical telescope in the world, the Keck telescope on Mauna Kea in Hawaii, to study light from distant quasars. This light has been travelling across the universe for billions of years, and seems to show that the fine structure constant, often known as "alpha", may be varying over time.

The fine structure constant governs the electromagnetic force which holds all atoms and molecules together. Scientists have known for many years that if its value was slightly different, life could not exist. Only the very tiniest changes over time could be tolerated, and most scientists believe that alpha today is the same as it always has been.

The constant also affects the absorption fingerprint of atoms, which can be detected when light shines through gas clouds. Murphy has used quasars as incredibly distant light sources, whose light encounters gas clouds on its way to Earth. The light takes time to reach Earth, so he sees the fingerprints as they were billions of years ago. By comparing these fingerprints with those obtained in experiments on Earth, he concludes that alpha has changed by about one part in two-hundred-thousand during the last 10 billion years.

Other researchers have published results which suggest that alpha does not change. However Dr Murphy's work is the most detailed survey ever performed. He says that the internal checks in his method, which other research groups did not use, make this the most reliable measurement to date.

Murphy is careful not to claim that the case is closed, and he says that nobody can really say that alpha varies until another type of experiment has confirmed it. "We are claiming something extraordinary here," says Murphy, "and the evidence, though strong, is not yet extraordinary enough."


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: crevolist; einstein; physics
sorry if this is a duplicate
1 posted on 04/12/2005 6:41:33 AM PDT by flevit
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To: flevit
…but what if some of these constants are changing?

Ah – the old “variable constant” trick…

2 posted on 04/12/2005 6:45:38 AM PDT by Who dat?
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To: flevit

We're Dooooooooomeed, I tell ya, DOOMED


3 posted on 04/12/2005 6:50:56 AM PDT by Lekker 1 ("There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be attainable"- Albert Einstein)
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To: Who dat?
…but what if some of these constants are changing? Ah – the old “variable constant” trick…

I seriously hope that was just a play on words on the part of the author. If not, this guy is in dire need of remedial scientific/mathematics education.

4 posted on 04/12/2005 6:52:05 AM PDT by The_Victor (Doh!... stupid tagline)
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To: flevit
Scientists have known for many years that if its value was slightly different, life could not exist.

So then, if this constant is in fact changing, life does not exist?

(These guys had better get their act together.)

5 posted on 04/12/2005 6:58:35 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: flevit

It's Bush's fault.


6 posted on 04/12/2005 7:01:57 AM PDT by Arkie2
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To: flevit

Well, there goes MY vacation...


7 posted on 04/12/2005 7:05:16 AM PDT by redhead
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To: flevit
ALVY (Looking up at the doctor):

Well, the universe is everything, and if it's expanding, someday it will break apart and that would be the end of everything!

(Disgusted, his mother looks at him.)

MOTHER: (shouting)

What is that your business?
(she turns back to the doctor)
He stopped doing his homework.

ALVY:

What's the point?

MOTHER (Excited, gesturing with her hands):

What has the universe got to do with it? You're here in Brooklyn! Brooklyn is not expanding!
8 posted on 04/12/2005 7:06:34 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
So then, if this constant is in fact changing, life does not exist?

Bingo!

OK that's it. You guys do not exist, everybody off my cloud.

9 posted on 04/12/2005 7:10:18 AM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: flevit

I'm not all that worried God doesn't change...


The (GOD)fine structure constant governs the electromagnetic force which holds all atoms and molecules together. Scientists have known for many years that if its value was slightly different, life could not exist. Only the very tiniest changes over time could be tolerated, and most scientists believe that alpha(GOD) today is the same as it always has been.


10 posted on 04/12/2005 7:12:13 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Yes,but....suppose "alpha" varies consistently about a fixed
value...then life could exist "most of the time"...with
periods of non-life...(i.e. life exists on weekends only)


aha...this concept also explains the dinosaur extinction....


11 posted on 04/12/2005 7:14:15 AM PDT by Getready ((...Fear not ...))
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To: Who dat?

Well, I certainly hope life doesn't cease to exist on the same day an asteroid hits earth, Yellowstone erupts, giant tsunamis wipe out the continents, the new ice age descends.....


12 posted on 04/12/2005 7:14:20 AM PDT by toomuchcoffee
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To: flevit

Speed of Light Changing

Women and minorities hardest hit ...

13 posted on 04/12/2005 7:14:47 AM PDT by PMCarey
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To: flevit

I did feel an additional itch in my morning scratch. Woe are we.


14 posted on 04/12/2005 7:16:40 AM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

"...the alpha and the omega..." Makes more sense, huh?


15 posted on 04/12/2005 7:18:04 AM PDT by Getready ((...Fear not ...))
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To: flevit
Physical constants are one of the cornerstones of physics – sacred numbers...

There is nothing sacred, sacrosanct or supernatural about physical constants. They are simply anchor points in the mathematical description of the universe.

...which we know to be fixed –...

Given current data.

...but what if some of these constants are changing?

Then the math will have to advance to conform to the advance in observation.

16 posted on 04/12/2005 7:21:46 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: PatrickHenry

ping


17 posted on 04/12/2005 7:23:06 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: flevit
sorry if this is a duplicate

It is, subject-wise, but with a different article and title: How Einstein may have got the theory of relativity wrong.

18 posted on 04/12/2005 7:32:25 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: flevit
>Sacred constant might be changing

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Britney Spears, 2004

19 posted on 04/12/2005 7:37:21 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: flevit

Isn't one of Murphy's corollaries, "Constants aren't, variables dont"?


20 posted on 04/12/2005 7:56:53 AM PDT by CPOSharky (You are born cold, wet, and hungry. Things get worse, then you die.)
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