Posted on 04/10/2005 11:43:25 AM PDT by indthkr
By S. SRINIVASAN Associated Press Writer The Associated Press
Apr. 10, 2005 - China and India should work together to dominate the world's tech industry, bringing together Chinese hardware with Indian software, China's prime minister said Sunday.
On a visit to India's southern technology hub of Bangalore, Premier Wen Jiabao said the two nations should put aside their historic rivalries for the venture and welcome a new "Asian century."
"Cooperation is just like two pagodas (temples), one hardware and one software," Wen said. "Combined, we can take the leadership position in the world," he said.
"When the particular day comes, it will signify the coming of the Asian century of the IT industry," he said in an address to information technology professionals in Bangalore.
India has gained global repute as a hub of software professionals while China is strong on computer hardware. Both countries' cheap and plentiful labor has undercut the tech industry in America and other Western countries through outsourcing.
Wen appealed to Indian software companies to set up operations in China to tap the Chinese and global markets.
He later met scientists and visited the research facilities at the headquarters of the Indian Space Research Organization in Bangalore.
Last year, China became the first Asian power to launch a man into orbit. India has announced ambitions to send an unmanned craft to the moon.
The two countries have been improving ties despite decades of frosty relations and rivalry. China is also a longtime ally and the main supplier of military hardware to Pakistan India's archrival.
"I hope and believe that my visit will inject fresh vigor and vitality into relations," Wen said in a statement distributed to reporters after his arrival.
During talks with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Monday, the two countries are expected to sign nearly 30 agreements to promote political, economic and cultural ties.
China is keen to develop a free trade area with a combined population total 2 billion, which would make it the largest free trade area in the world.
India-China trade reached $13.6 billion in 2004, with India recording a trade surplus of $1.75 billion, Indian Commerce Ministry statistics show.
On other issues, Wen and Singh are expected to discuss the more than 50-year-old border dispute over their 650-mile frontier, parts of which are not demarcated. A solution is expected to be reached during Wen's four-day visit.
Wen is also expected to discuss with Indian authorities the Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, who lives in exile in India, Chinese officials have said.
On Saturday, police prevented Tibetan activists, who oppose Beijing's rule in the Himalayan territory, from demonstrating against Wen's visit. Police detained two Tibetan leaders to prevent them from organizing demonstrations and prevented 50 Tibetan students from leaving their college hostels to protest, a police officer said.
So what hardware is China making that isn't reversed engineered from Taiwan, Japan, or the US and what software is India making that isn't being directed from the US?
Even if the two countries don't co-operate, they stand to cut deeply into the substantial lead that the North Atlantic community now maintains in technology and innovation. Both countries are overcoming the massive underdevelopment of their human resources, and as each of the countries have about three to four times the population of the US, they have that much more potential to grow.
Numbers count, in mounting any sort of competition. Given any kind of modest boost in average degree of achievement, makes the sum total vastly greater over time.
Two giants have wakened.
....that isn't being directed from the US?
This is something that would be an issue "down-the-road",
not today, 5 mins from now, or even 5 months from now.
A good example of what's on the horizon is the Chinese
pushing their own proprietary LAN standard, which they had
previously told U.S. Trade Authorities they wouldn't do
(see linked article)
http://www.commsdesign.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=60403226
Caveat the size of Kansas.......
We helped train the Indians and the Chinese in our own universities with lots of direct assistance from our own U.S. government in grants and slots for advanced degrees.
I know because I competed with them when I got mine in Computer Science / EE.
I know for sure their technical expertise is on par and their population of trained engineers far exceeds ours.
I sell software used to design / verify / fabricate advanced integrated circuits and they are my biggest customers.
Well, then, we need to start selling them some cars, planes, and construction equipment...
If we can't stop them from awakening, then we best make the most money off it.
:-)
Maybe this competition will awaken us from our slumber.
Hoppy
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In a word?
None!
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One day Japan will dominate the automobile marketplace.
(Japanese corporate head to inner council 1955)
All Japan will ever make is cheap tin toys.
No one can beat us and never will by goly because we are the United States of America. We are the worlds leader.
(GM Exec 1955).
Those forget history are doomed to repeat it: see my post above about the autoindustry.
How's this?
"American companies do not care about degrees any more - they are shifting jobs to India and China in truck loads” says a student in Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur. “There is no need to go abroad, the heaven right now is sweet home”, says the student.
Cisco's CEO has been announcing their long term goal is one word... China. They are also building huge R&D complexes there and china just bought IBM's personal computer business.
Don't discount our little friends too easily.
GM got it Right again!
And essentially-insolvent, gangster/bureaucrat-run Japan is now in -- what, its eleventh year of deflation? -- with huge chunks of it's much-vaunted automobile industry owned and/or operated by Ford and GM and a Euro-peon or two -- and all of its designs, as ever, coming out of Southern California.
And India and [Especially] "china" generate much of their turnover [Most of which is criminally syphoned and illegally expatriated] from theft, corruption, graft, counterfeiting -- and foreign investment.
And your point, again, was, exactly?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?
It's unlikely but it is possible this will happen. The problem isnt so much a numbers problem in terms of our population versus theirs its the fact that their countries tend to focus HEAVILY on science and engineering. They pump out i think 500k graduates in science and engineering every year, someone correct me if i'm wrong but we pump out 10% of that don't we(50k). I think the problem is our schooling system should emphasize more math and science ad the lower levels(high school, middle school) like they do in india and china. Force kids to be competetive. If you took your average kid from a school over there whose enrolled in science and engineering and put them in a class over here chances are theyd probably be at the top of their class, whereas if you did it the other way around its unlikely they would be at the top.
The liberals have screwed up our education system by making kids think its ok to get things wrong and the fact that kids and parents get up in arms when they actually are challenged in school. Back post WWII our government was encouraging science and engineering and now it seems like we hardly care. Yea there is the problem of outsourcing, but we need to deal with the problems locally so american companies don't run off and hire a worker in India or China. I think pushing for a flat tax and less regulation and giving companies incentives to work here would work wonders on our economy and take us to a much higher level that everyone else looks like a joke compared to us.
Looks like America will go back to grow potatoes.
Oh well, it couldn't last forever....
That is an excellent point.
What superpower in history has had its economic success handed to it from outside?
I don't care how hard they work, how many university graduates they have it's innovation, innovation, innovation that counts.
"Reversed engineered?" Is that like a robber reverse engineers cash from a bank?
True, but so did the Soviets. Freedom comes first, but education comes a close second. If our education system wasn't based on the socialist model, our future would look a lot brighter.
Well i didnt mean to give off the impression we should impose a soviet model on our education system, but give incentives for students to go into Science and Engineering and perhaps revamp the way colleges learn. I myself am in Sciences and alot of the times the things you learn in college are redundant. The problem is though that most classes will rereview old material for 1/3rd - 1/2 the class and then spend the second half on new material. It sounds slightly exxagerated but it happens quite frequently. You tend to cover the basic maths and sciences over and then go over those in the advanced classes since most kids will forget or not bother commiting the material to long term memory.
We could probably shed a year off traditional degrees if you really revamped the system, or use that 4th year to give our science and engineering grads the same knowledge as would be given to a masters in that degree. It would help make them a lot more competetive.
China must cut off relations with Pakistan if they plan to strengthen relationship.
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