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Patriotic, Peaceful Muslims - (can this be genuine?..or is it a ploy?)
HUMAN EVENTS ONLINE.COM ^ | APRIL 7, 2005 | ROBERT SPENCER

Posted on 04/08/2005 7:01:56 PM PDT by CHARLITE

A new group of American Muslims has declared itself committed to moderation, patriotism, and peaceful coexistence with non-Muslims. It's called the Center for Islamic Pluralism, an organization made up of both American-born and immigrant Muslims, lifelong Muslims and converts. If this organization succeeds in being what it has set out to be, it will fill a vacuum many Americans have felt keenly since 9/11: it will be a real counterweight in the Islamic community to jihadist radicalism and fanaticism.

In its inaugural press release the CIP declared its intention to "promote moderate Islam in the U.S. and globally; educate the American public, media, and government about moderate Islam; oppose the influence of militant Islam in the United States and abroad; [and] promote authentic and constructive interfaith dialogue between Muslims and adherents of other faiths."

"We define 'moderate Islam' in the American context," the initial press release continued, "as an Islam that finds its proper and equal place as one among the many religions represented in America, with rights neither greater nor lesser than any other…. The CIP emphasizes pluralism to signal that it believes not in the tolerance of non-Muslims, but in their true acceptance."

The CIP's executive director, the Muslim convert and journalist Stephen Suleyman Schwartz, explained that "dialogue is the foundation of our activity."

If a group like the CIP cannot gain a wide following among Muslims in America, the implication for the actual sentiments and loyalties of American Muslims are ominous. But if the CIP doesn't follow through on its commitment to dialogue, its success is in doubt and its utility suspect. Accordingly, it is devoutly to be wished that the organization clear up a few important matters at the outset.

For instance, Schwartz declares that the "Qur'an and the Prophet Muhammad…command us to moderation; we can do no less than to fulfill these high responsibilities in that spirit." This is in line with an observation by his fellow CIP founder, Ahmed Subhy Mansour, who asserts that "total freedom of opinion is a principle that was assured by Islam since it emerged, and applied by Muhammad." These statements suggest that if Muslims return to true adherence to the Koran and Muhammad's example, violent jihadist Islam will disappear.

However, the same day that the CIP issued its statement, an Al-Qaeda group in Iraq declared that "terrorizing enemies of Allah is our faith and religion, which is taught to us by our Qur'an." And the same day the Saudi Wahhabis, whom the CIP is determined to oppose, touted Muhammad as "the perfect role model in all situations." Of course, there are hundreds of contemporary examples of jihad terrorists pointing to the Qur'an and the example of Muhammad to justify violence.

So how does the CIP intend to distinguish its Muhammad from the Wahhabi version? How will the organization respond to jihad terrorists when they invoke Muhammad and the Koran? This is an all-important question, for on its answer will hang or fall the mission of the CIP itself: if the group cannot convince Muslims to follow it, rejecting jihadist theology, it will have failed. But it cannot do any such convincing without a coherent Islamic theology that not only rivals the jihadist version, but refutes it.

Schwartz has in the past decried those who "demand a revision of the Muslim holy book, Qur'an," and has asserted that "Islam needs no Reformation, merely to return to its long-established tradition: pluralistic, spiritual, and committed to the protection and refinement of its civilizational heritage." That makes all the more urgent a clear delineation of its theological stance as distinct from that of the jihadists who use the same sources so effectively.

Questions like these have led one of the seven current members of the CIP, Tashbih Sayyid, publisher of Muslim World Today, to reconsider his role in the organization. Sayyid explained to me: "If Schwartz believes that there is nothing wrong with Muslim theology, I cannot be part of this group….My whole life is devoted to one end: to make the Muslims understand that their theology needs to be reformed and reinterpreted. Anybody who thinks that there's nothing wrong with their theology is either a blind person or an apologist."

Sayyid continued: "There are many things in Muslim Scripture that need to be reshaped and reframed and reinterpreted, so that they cannot be used by terrorists to justify homicide bombings and honor killings."

If the CIP is to fulfill its great promise, it will face this great necessity honestly, and act accordingly.

Mr. Spencer is director of Jihad Watch and author of Onward Muslim Soldiers: How Jihad Still Threatens America and the West (Regnery -- a HUMAN EVENTS sister company) and Islam Unveiled: Disturbing Questions About the World's Fastest Growing Faith (Encounter); and editor of The Myth of Islamic Tolerance (Prometheus).


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1 posted on 04/08/2005 7:01:57 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

http://www.muslimsforbush.com


2 posted on 04/08/2005 7:05:15 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: CHARLITE
"There are many things in Muslim Scripture that need to be reshaped and reframed and reinterpreted, so that they cannot be used by terrorists to justify homicide bombings and honor killings."

Evidently.

3 posted on 04/08/2005 7:22:33 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: CHARLITE

The burden of proof is on them. Aren't they a little late?


4 posted on 04/08/2005 7:30:12 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: mdittmar

Probably funded in some way by CAIR, whatcha think? Considering an earlier article I read about a book that was recently published about how Mooslims are trying to undermine our society by appearing "moderate"


5 posted on 04/08/2005 7:33:36 PM PDT by landorepub
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To: freedom44

bttt


6 posted on 04/08/2005 7:37:58 PM PDT by lainde
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To: CHARLITE; sheik yerbouty; landorepub; freedom44

No, it's not a ploy. Dr Jasser, who's articles I've posted a number of times here on FR, is the chairman.

Stephen Schwartz is the Executive Director of the Center for Islamic Pluralism in Washington, DC .

The founders of the Center for Islamic Pluralism are (affiliations for identification only):

Kemal Silay, CIP president: professor of Ottoman and modern Turkish culture at Indiana University.

Stephen Suleyman Schwartz, CIP executive director: author of The Two Faces of Islam (Doubleday), and associate of the Faculty of Islamic Studies, Sarajevo.

Nawab Agha: chairman, American Muslim Congress.

Zuhdi Jasser: chairman, American Islamic Forum for Democracy.

Ahmed Subhy Mansour: former professor, Al-Azhar University, Cairo, author of Penalty of Apostasy: A Study of Islamic Law.

Salim Mansur: professor of political science, University of Western Ontario, and columnist, Toronto Sun.

Khaleel Mohammed, assistant professor of religious studies at San Diego State University.

Tashbih Sayyed: publisher, Muslim World Today.


7 posted on 04/08/2005 7:47:00 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: CHARLITE

If Muslims want something that can be interepreted to promote civilized behavior instead of the barbarism, they're not going to find it in the Koran. Basically, these are people who really really want Islam to be compatible with modern civilization, and are willing to rewrite the whole thing if that's what it takes to get it. Personally I think they'd do fine with the Old Testament.


8 posted on 04/08/2005 7:49:35 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("The Passion of the Opus" - 2 hours of a FReeper being crucified on his own self-pitying thread)
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To: nuconvert

So their credentials are supposed to make us feel all warm and fuzzy?


9 posted on 04/08/2005 7:49:52 PM PDT by landorepub
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To: landorepub

Don't know,watch what they do,not what they say.


10 posted on 04/08/2005 7:50:40 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: thoughtomator

You might be interested in this..........

http://www.sdjewishjournal.com/stories/aug04_4.html


11 posted on 04/08/2005 7:53:12 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: thoughtomator

Um, the Old Testament is as immoral and bloody as the Koran.

If they're going to look to a newer morality, they SHOULD take the path the Jews have taken with regard to interpreting the Torah and Old Testament, in general.


12 posted on 04/08/2005 7:55:53 PM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: landorepub

Yeah....their credentials, their articles, books, speeches and actions over the years.
That's about all there is.


13 posted on 04/08/2005 7:56:26 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: landorepub

In fairness, when judging any large number of human beings, you're going to get good and bad.

Do you REALLY think ALL Muslims are evil and brutal and intent on conquest? Seriously, have you even met a variety of Muslims or any other group from different backgrounds and nationalities?


14 posted on 04/08/2005 7:56:59 PM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: nuconvert

Very interesting! His logic is sound.


15 posted on 04/08/2005 7:59:01 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("The Passion of the Opus" - 2 hours of a FReeper being crucified on his own self-pitying thread)
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To: Skywalk
Have you actually read the Koran? From a statement like that, I don't think you have. Here, an online copy in English.

Also, saying the OT is immoral is ridiculous on its face, considering that the civilization you live in is based on the laws of civilization therein. You may not even realize it but it's probably the basis of your own definition of morality.

16 posted on 04/08/2005 8:04:53 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("The Passion of the Opus" - 2 hours of a FReeper being crucified on his own self-pitying thread)
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To: CHARLITE

It's either BS or they just think they're muslims.


17 posted on 04/08/2005 8:09:06 PM PDT by philetus (What goes around comes around)
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To: CHARLITE

re: redacting the koran and the hadith...

I'LL. BELIEVE. IT. WHEN. (IF). I. SEE. IT.


18 posted on 04/08/2005 8:23:05 PM PDT by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: AdmSmith

pong


19 posted on 04/08/2005 8:25:34 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: CHARLITE

This week's "Moderate Muslim" is next week's suicide bomber.

Sorry. I'm not going to trust anyone in that cult. Not in this lifetime. It's too late for that.


20 posted on 04/08/2005 8:35:53 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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