Posted on 04/08/2005 7:39:14 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
Actually, itd have to be in a vaccum. ONLY the compounds and the energy involved. No other agents.
Remember Gak?
That stuff smelled funny and moved weird, but I could never get enough of it.
I dried all mine out, and all I had to do was re-wet it.
It was great!
"WRONG! The scientist are playing the role of the creator in the lab. The only way to prove life formed itself is to put all the compounds on a table, shut the door, and watch it grow."
You do realize it is impossible to create a setting that was identical to the earths early environment in the lab. It is also impossible to mimic billions of years of time. Why do you think scientists will ever be able to do this?
Uh uh. If one science is suppose to be legit, why not all the others? According to Quantum scientists, the universe had to be created by a thought, a word, or some kind of conciseness.
The Bible says "In the beginning was the WORD. The word was with God, and the word was God."
True, it can never be observed, it can never be replicated, it can never be repeated. So, how is it science?
Evolution is NOT abio-genesis.
I proudly tell people that I feel that the mechanism called evolution could have been used by God to make us into what we are today.
The reason I qualify it "mechanism" and not just "theory" is that in the theory, there is no guiding hand. This is where evos jump to the idea of abiogenesis. The changes (though not entirely sound IMO) could very well be. They would just happen to be from the will of a Higher Being.
"Luckily for good 'ol stubborn man kind, quantum psychics (GASP! Why, that's "science" too!) is finally catching up with religion, and it's about time."
Quantum physics resembles religion only in that they are both so contrary to what our senses tell us as to be hard to believe. Unlike religion, quantum physics is testable.
"They do not question their premise (life arose spontaneously from dead matter)"
Of course life arose from organic compounds (what you call dead matter). Where else would it come from? Did it appear magically out of thin air? Are new species appearing instantly from non-existence to existence, or are they the result of sexual and non-sexual reproduction?
If you believe that species were suddenly put on earth by god you are of course rejecting not only evolution but the laws of physics as well.
thanks for the ping.
I've got a question for the up to 40% hydrogen crowd. Where did the 80% nitrogen atmosphere come from? Remember this is a rocky planet between two other rocky planets. The hydrogen planets are big, gassy, and cold.
which quantum scientists? I'm looking at my Quantum books and they don't mention this part of the theory. Is it related to the wave function of the ground state or first electronic state of dopamine? Perhaps coupled to it's vibrational and rotational modes? But that energy distribution would also have a temperature dependence. Or perhaps I chose the wrong neurochemical or I need to do my normal coordinate analysis and make sure I choose the correct point group.
"True, it can never be observed, it can never be replicated, it can never be repeated. So, how is it science?"
It can be observed if we find a planet or moon with conditions similar to what early Earth might have been like. We just don't have the ability to do that research at this time.
Np, I figured it was a good general interest for someone like yourself.
Because they're just taking an anti-God guess? If they can't reproduce it, how do they know? Do they just pull their ideas out of a hat? Everyone puts in a theory, and they choose the first one that's pulled out if it sounds like it would fly?
You aren't making yourself clear here.
If life only comes from life, how/why would one assume life came from non-life?
"If Earth's atmosphere was hydrogen-rich as we have shown, organic compounds could easily have been produced."
Mmmm hmmmm. Exactly how gullible does this guy think we are?
Some people believe that it was in the form of ammonia, NH3. Also, the atmosphere of Venus contains almost the exact same quantity of nitrogen as Earth (on a mass basis). Only Venus has a heck of a lot of CO2 so the proportion of nitrogen is a lot lower. Also, only the upper atmospheres of the gas giants are cool. Jupiter is quite hot. It emits more infrared (heat energy) into space than it receives from the sun.
The God of the Bible always was. He has no "creation story"
The Norse gods have one. The Romans, the Egyptians. The Chinese don't... but they also hold that their one God is a supreme idea that has always been, and they chose not to focus on Him.
"If they can't reproduce it, how do they know?"
If you are really that curious you can go to a university and spend many years studying geology, or even better go read up on these scientific journals with the original articles and see how they came to their conclusions. If you disagree with how they obtained their conclusions you can write a scientific paper elucidating how they screwed up and why their hypothesis is incorrect. That is how science works. Just because you don't know why they believe what they believe doesn't make it necessarily wrong.
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