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Organic-Rich Soup-in-the-Ocean of Early Earth [Miller experiment revisited]
REDNOVA NEWS ^ | 08 April 2005 | Staff

Posted on 04/08/2005 7:39:14 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

A new University of Colorado at Boulder study indicates Earth in its infancy probably had substantial quantities of hydrogen in its atmosphere, a surprising finding that may alter the way many scientists think about how life began on the planet.

Published in the April 7 issue of Science Express, the online edition of Science Magazine, the study concludes traditional models estimating hydrogen escape from Earth's atmosphere several billions of years ago are flawed. The new study indicates up to 40 percent of the early atmosphere was hydrogen, implying a more favorable climate for the production of pre-biotic organic compounds like amino acids, and ultimately, life.

The paper was authored by doctoral student Feng Tian, Professor Owen Toon and Research Associate Alexander Pavlov of CU-Boulder's Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics with Hans De Sterk of the University of Waterloo. The study was supported by the NASA Institute of Astrobiology and NASA's Exobiology Program.

"I didn't expect this result when we began the study," said Tian, a doctoral student in CU-Boulder's Astrobiology Center at LASP and chief author of the paper. "If Earth's atmosphere was hydrogen-rich as we have shown, organic compounds could easily have been produced."

Scientists believe Earth was formed about 4.6 billion years ago, and geologic evidence indicates life may have begun on Earth roughly a billion years later.

"This study indicates that the carbon dioxide-rich, hydrogen-poor Mars and Venus-like model of Earth's early atmosphere that scientists have been working with for the last 25 years is incorrect," said Toon. In such atmospheres, organic molecules are not produced by photochemical reactions or electrical discharges.

Toon said the premise that early Earth had a CO2-dominated atmosphere long after its formation has caused many scientists to look for clues to the origin of life in hydrothermal vents in the sea, fresh-water hot springs or those delivered to Earth from space via meteorites or dust.

The team concluded that even if the atmospheric CO2 concentrations were large, the hydrogen concentrations would have been larger. "In that case, the production of organic compounds with the help of electrical discharge or photochemical reactions may have been efficient," said Toon.

Amino acids that likely formed from organic materials in the hydrogen-rich environment may have accumulated in the oceans or in bays, lakes and swamps, enhancing potential birthplaces for life, the team reported.

The new study indicates the escape of hydrogen from Earth's early atmosphere was probably two orders of magnitude slower than scientists previously believed, said Tian. The lower escape rate is based in part on the new estimates for past temperatures in the highest reaches of Earth's atmosphere some 5,000 miles in altitude where it meets the space environment.

While previous calculations assumed Earth's temperature at the top of the atmosphere to be well over 1,500 degrees F several billion years ago, the new mathematical models show temperatures would have been twice as cool back then. The new calculations involve supersonic flows of gas escaping from Earth's upper atmosphere as a planetary wind, according to the study.

"There seems to have been a blind assumption for years that atmospheric hydrogen was escaping from Earth three or four billion years ago as efficiently as it is today," said Pavlov. "We show the escape was limited considerably back then by low temperatures in the upper atmosphere and the supply of energy from the sun."

Despite somewhat higher ultraviolet radiation levels from the sun in Earth's infancy, the escape rate of hydrogen would have remained low, Tian said. The escaping hydrogen would have been balanced by hydrogen being vented by Earth's volcanoes several billion years ago, making it a major component of the atmosphere.

In 1953, University of Chicago graduate student Stanley Miller sent an electrical current through a chamber containing methane, ammonia, hydrogen and water, yielding amino acids, considered to be the building blocks of life. "I think this study makes the experiments by Miller and others relevant again," Toon said. "In this new scenario, organics can be produced efficiently in the early atmosphere, leading us back to the organic-rich soup-in-the-ocean concept."


Stanley Miller's classic "primordial soup" experimental setup,
with a simulated ocean, lightning and broth
of hydrogen, methane, ammonia and water.

In the new CU-Boulder scenario, it is a hydrogen and CO2-dominated atmosphere that leads to the production of organic molecules, not the methane and ammonia atmosphere used in Miller's experiment, Toon said.

Tian and other team members said the research effort will continue. The duration of the hydrogen-rich atmosphere on early Earth still is unknown, they said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: abiogenesis; biogenesis; crevolist; earlyearth; millerexperiment; originoflife
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To: BMCDA

That's because of their particular properties.

And again, why do their properties have any bearing on it? "It just is" isn't a viable answer.

Why do they act according to these laws? (and yes, I full well understand that you feel "law" is a misnomer)


341 posted on 04/08/2005 6:16:08 PM PDT by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: AntiGuv
OK :-)


342 posted on 04/08/2005 6:17:48 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: AndrewC

I've seen drawings of God - and even statues. But I asked for a photograph. Video would be better. ;^)


343 posted on 04/08/2005 6:19:52 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: PatrickHenry
I worked as a chemistry lab TA for Stanley Miller while I was an undergraduate at Revelle College, UCSD. I asked Dr. Miller how long it took to get the initial amino acids. I was surprised at the answer. There were peptide fragments of 2 and 3 amino acids within 48 hours.
344 posted on 04/08/2005 6:22:25 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

Most interesting. Thanks for the info.


345 posted on 04/08/2005 6:25:24 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: stremba

Thats perfectly reasonable to assume. I just wish there were some scientists somewhere out there willing to make the wait.


346 posted on 04/08/2005 6:27:16 PM PDT by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: stremba; js1138; Doctor Stochastic

Good point.

BTW doc, I just recalled my thought process:
Based on the thoughts of any engineer.

If speed is inverse to accuracy, then would slowing down the process make forming DNA easier? Fewer repititions, sure, but that would also mean less chance for malignant radicals. (metabolism)

Any thoughts?


347 posted on 04/08/2005 6:30:52 PM PDT by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: frgoff

I found a new friend :)


348 posted on 04/08/2005 6:37:31 PM PDT by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: AntiGuv
But I asked for a photograph.

Okay, here is a photograph.

Does he exist?

349 posted on 04/08/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: balrog666

You know, I'm on most of these "crevo" threads well before you are. I am yet to see this blaring example of creationists or IDers claiming such.

Take a second to breathe before throwing accusations.


350 posted on 04/08/2005 6:41:35 PM PDT by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: Myrddin
There were peptide fragments of 2 and 3 amino acids within 48 hours.

Did you happen to ask how many different amino acids were formed and the length of the longest peptide created for the entire experiment?

351 posted on 04/08/2005 6:42:36 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: madconservative

Use the "enter" key!


352 posted on 04/08/2005 6:43:26 PM PDT by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: jennyp; PatrickHenry

"if God spoke to us all, in clear unmistakable words, and announced that His work here was done, and He was leaving this universe forever in order to take care of business elsewhere, wouldn't we still be able to determine things like right, wrong, and truth?"

And this would be the 7th yom. Where God rested!

Sorry, I just find it cool how any idea can be taken directly from the Bible.


353 posted on 04/08/2005 6:48:39 PM PDT by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: AndrewC

My guess is that whoever that is is dead. That's OK, I would accept photographs of dead gods into evidence.


354 posted on 04/08/2005 6:51:49 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Tribune7
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!

Very funny. And pathetic.

355 posted on 04/08/2005 6:52:47 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: MacDorcha
BTW doc, I just recalled my thought process: Based on the thoughts of any engineer. If speed is inverse to accuracy,

It's not. You need a new thought. And a process wouldn't hurt.

356 posted on 04/08/2005 6:55:00 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: MacDorcha
Speed is pretty much irrelevant here. What is needed is understanding of the steps necessary. We already know that living things can replicate in minutes or even seconds. What we don't know is how the pieces came together and under what conditions. With understanding and under controlled conditions, the whole process could happen in minutes or hours. If this happens in the laboratory, it will tell us something about what early conditions might have been.

This is a big project and no drug company is investing in the research. It could take five years or five hundred. I' guessing between 20 and 50, but that's just an off the top of my head guess.

Who would have predicted fifty years ago that genetic engineering would be a huge industrial enterprise in the year 2005?
357 posted on 04/08/2005 6:55:02 PM PDT by js1138 (There are 10 kinds of people: those who read binary, and those who don't.)
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To: MacDorcha
You know, I'm on most of these "crevo" threads well before you are. I am yet to see this blaring example of creationists or IDers claiming such. Take a second to breathe before throwing accusations.

You screwed up your references again. I suggest you cite what you are objecting to before to try to disparage it.

You know, it tends to focus people's thoughts, and you seem to need a lot of focus.

358 posted on 04/08/2005 6:57:35 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: balrog666

Ok, I'll appologize for that. I did misread it.


359 posted on 04/08/2005 6:59:58 PM PDT by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: balrog666

Jesus loves you.


360 posted on 04/08/2005 7:01:05 PM PDT by Tribune7
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