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Hybrid-Car Tinkerers Scoff at No-Plug-In Rule
NY Times ^ | 4/2/05 | DANNY HAKIM

Posted on 04/06/2005 8:13:35 AM PDT by finnman69

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To: conservativeharleyguy
W/O additional generating capacity, and looser, market-based rate structures, their hands are tied.

A nice "clean" nuke plant is a great idea (supporting them is what I do for a living). But, quick!: name the last nuke permit approved in this country (hint, it was over 20 years ago, see my initial post).

Thats really the key. I am thinking in an ideal world. One would hope that smarter heads would prevail once 'lectrics became popular. As it stands, the only benefit might be a slight decrease in a reliance on foreign oil, but at a cost of greater usage of Coal, which is dirtier, and worse than Nuclear.

141 posted on 04/06/2005 12:01:17 PM PDT by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: Sterco
I suspect that you have something to gain by the nuclear power industry prospering other than supposed cheap energy.

Well, yes. I gain security if al-Qaeda's main source of revenue in the future consists of looking under the cushions for spare change.

142 posted on 04/06/2005 12:01:18 PM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: jtminton
No doubt. I wonder if people realize that electric cars still use fuel, it just gets burned at the power plant.

We need more nuclear power plants!

143 posted on 04/06/2005 12:01:20 PM PDT by A. Pole (One freetrader: "Wal-Mart has done more to help the poor than the Catholic Church")
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To: stevio
Solve the waste disposal problem

That problem was solved decades ago -- melt the stuff into glass/ceramic blocks; bury blocks in an area that is either geologically stable or subducting (i.e. drawn down into the lower crust).

700 year half-life is way too long

The isotopes with long half-lives emit trivially low amounts of radiation -- that's why they last so long. Anything that gives off dangerous amounts of radiation necessarily has a relatively short half-life, precisely because it releases its nuclear energy so quickly.

144 posted on 04/06/2005 12:06:33 PM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Sterco

I think my screen name should be more than enough tipoff as to what business I work in.

And if you wish to insist upon equating TMI with Chernobyl, there's nothing I can do for you by trying to educate you on nuclear power. That's another tipoff that your mind is completely made up and no fact will cause you to change it.


145 posted on 04/07/2005 11:08:56 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: nuke rocketeer
Electric Porsche 944



Performance:Top Speed: 104 mph
0-60 mph: 8.7 sec
1/4 mile: 17.2 sec

146 posted on 04/07/2005 7:48:06 PM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com (<<<------- shameless promotion- visit & win my love forever)
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To: nuke rocketeer

Opps... I forgot the link to the electic porsche.

http://www.jstraubel.com/944EV/EVproject.htm

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147 posted on 04/07/2005 7:49:33 PM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com (<<<------- shameless promotion- visit & win my love forever)
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To: dead
That has to lead to amazing savings, with electricity being free and all.

You highlight the fact that I have never heard a real economic analysis of electric and hybrid cars.

- What is the cost of the electricity taken from the wall?

- What is the pollution attributable to the electricity taken from the wall?

- What is the cost of replacing the battery?

- What is the environmental cost of recycling the battery?

There are many more that we don't hear the answers two in these facile discussions.

148 posted on 04/07/2005 7:58:33 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find.)
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To: biblewonk
Now we just need to build more windmills to make the electricity.

Since these cars are producing wind by going down the road, wouldn't it make sense to put windmills on top of these cars?

149 posted on 04/07/2005 7:59:07 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: MediaMole

You said: He gets 40 to 45 miles per gallon driving his normal Prius.
The same mileage as a conventional Toyota Echo, which costs thousands less. Hybrids are a bad investment.

I am averaging about 47 mpg in my normal Prius. It is about as roomy as my VW Passat was, unlike the dinky Echo. I am no greenie, I just like the gadgets on it, like touch screen controls for air conditioning and stereo, among lots of other cool stuff on this car. I do have to inform people that I am NOT liberal from time to time, especially with my UNC license plate bracket. In this warmer weather I am averaging around 52 mpg on the latest tank of gas.
That said, you are correct that the cost of the car probably outweighs fuel savings (although with gas prices going up, that may not remain true). I just like this cool car. The technology is really well thought out (not just the hybrid stuff, but the recharging of the battery while coasting and braking, the thermos that holds some of the coolant when you turn the car off, and lots of other stuff).


150 posted on 04/07/2005 8:09:31 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: finnman69
"If you've got a flywheel with your chemical battery, you can draw down the chemical battery, but when it's time to do a heavy lift, to accelerate or absorb energy, the flywheel is doing the acceleration or the absorption, not the chemical battery,"

I don't think I'd want something spinning at 20000 rpm that close to my butt.

151 posted on 05/16/2005 7:43:59 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (Gravity is my copilot)
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