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Minutemen find few migrants (Police in Mexico discouraging illegal crossings)
Arizona Daily Star ^

Posted on 04/05/2005 8:34:29 AM PDT by Kokojmudd

By Michael Marizco ARIZONA DAILY STAR

NACO, SONORA – A Mexican military Humvee moves across the cow pasture; soldiers nod at federal agents in bright orange shirts roving by on ATVs. An hour later, a Sonora State Preventive Police truck moves through a sandy wash, the officers looking for migrants waiting to sneak across the border.

Across the barbed-wire border in Arizona early Monday, excitement grips Minuteman Project volunteers when they observe a group of six people moving north.

Dan Russell, 62, watches the group walking toward him. "They're getting closer," he says. "They could just be reporters." They are.

In the first few days of the Minuteman Project, volunteers have been slowing illegal immigration into the Naco area.They've accomplished that with the help of an unlikely ally: Mexico.

Eager to avoid confrontations between volunteers and its people, Mexico is sweeping the area south of the Minuteman Project clear of migrants.

Gov. Eduardo Bours Castelo has placed 44 members of the new state police force across the border at La Morita, a cattle ranch that leads directly to the border south of Bisbee, said Diego Padilla the governor's Arizona representative.

The state police are working with Grupo Beta, Mexico's migrant protection force, which is plucking migrants out of the desert and depositing them in nearby Agua Prieta, where they are encouraged to wait before trying to cross.

"We are very crude with them; we tell them they may be shot, that there's rancheros out to stop them and hurt them," said Enrique Enriques Palafox, a Grupo Beta commander in Agua Prieta. The point is to terrify the migrants from the area so they won't cross illegally and encounter Minuteman volunteers, he said.

Sunday, the coordinated efforts of the military, Grupo Beta, and the new police force pulled 22 groups of migrants out of the ranch, Palafox said. By Monday, only a handful of people had to be told to go somewhere else.

Even as the Minuteman Project brought national attention to Cochise County's border woes, volunteers had few encounters with illegal entrants. But their presence has brought Mexican law enforcement to this part of the border, and that has had the effect of slowing illegal immigration.

Organizer James Gilchrist said Sunday that volunteers had reported 118 illegal entrants to the U.S. Border Patrol. There is no way to confirm that, because the agency's Tucson Sector says it doesn't keep track of Minuteman callers separately from normal calls from citizens about illegal border crossers.

Since Friday, when the protest started, there have been 78 citizen call-ins leading to the apprehension of 162 people, said Border Patrol spokesman Andy Adame.

What Minuteman volunteers have succeeded in doing is setting off false alarms by tripping ground sensors on the border, he said.

"We're having to work around them instead of concentrating on the actual border where we need to work," Adame said.

The number of illegal entrant apprehensions at the Naco station has dropped.

U.S. and Mexican officials say it's because of Mexico's efforts.

Minuteman organizers say otherwise. "We're having an impact," Gilchrist said Sunday.

● Contact reporter Michael Marizco at 573-4213 or at mmarizco@azstarnet.com.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; minutemanproject
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To: ClintonBeGone

Oh come on. Who built your house? Who cooks your food? Who picks all the crops? Thousands, millions of them. Many every day. They are coming in droves, and the Border Patrol and the "sensors" can't do anything about it. It appears the "sensors" are only turned on when Minutemen are stationed nearby. As for the BP claim that they can't get to the border and have to "work around" the Minutemen, so what? This would be a good month for vacations on the Border Patrol schedule. We've got it this month guys. Y'all go calibrate your "sensors".


121 posted on 04/05/2005 9:59:58 AM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Kokojmudd

Why are there no American press interviews with the Federales?


122 posted on 04/05/2005 10:00:22 AM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: Irontank

SS doesn't spend it, the damned CONGRESS does since it goes into the general fund.


123 posted on 04/05/2005 10:00:33 AM PDT by snowman1
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To: snowman1
"What I would like to know is how many checks for SS are sent to a Mexican address??????."

From what I understand, there are a lot of SS checks that go to Mexican addresses as there are an increasing number of American citizens that are retiring to Mexico because of the much lower cost of living.

124 posted on 04/05/2005 10:01:38 AM PDT by DaGman
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To: Dead Corpse
Yes. I've noticed that you make all kinds of wild claims with NOTHING to back them up.

Ok, show me stats from an objective source. That means someone or some group without a bias. That excludes the BP, FAIR and the MMK's. Who is left?

125 posted on 04/05/2005 10:02:04 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ClintonBeGone

"Ok, show me stats from an objective source. That means someone or some group without a bias. That excludes the BP, FAIR and the MMK's. Who is left?"

Are you saying we need to ask Bill O'Reilly to start counting illegal immigrants? He doesn't have any bias. /sarc


126 posted on 04/05/2005 10:04:34 AM PDT by Kokojmudd (Today's Liberal is Tomorrow's Prospective Flying Saucer Abductee)
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To: DaGman

"From what I understand, there are a lot of SS checks that go to Mexican addresses as there are an increasing number of American citizens that are retiring to Mexico because of the much lower cost of living."

You can find some great waterfront living. I've got some money invested in Paraiso del Mar. I hope some day to have a home there. It really is paradise.


127 posted on 04/05/2005 10:05:00 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Dead Corpse

i think what CBG meant was that she couldn't FIND any "stats" that fit in with her agenda..


128 posted on 04/05/2005 10:05:03 AM PDT by sdpatriot (remember waco and ruby ridge)
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To: Kokojmudd

"Are you saying we need to ask Bill O'Reilly to start counting illegal immigrants? He doesn't have any bias. /sarc"

I'm not suggesting anyone because I think all the stats on this issue are biased and unaccurate. The experience by the MMK's tells me that what number that are out there are wildly inflated by people with an agenda. #1 agend is the BP, attempting to keep their jobs and increase the union membership. #2 come from people that simply don't care for immigrants.


129 posted on 04/05/2005 10:07:00 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: cripplecreek
Apparently the sensors aren't tripped by the thousands of illegals who pass every single day.

This anomaly has been explained several times, but just for you, here it is one more time:

Average Weight: Migrant...125#; Vigilante...290#

Source: Recent photos posted by your friendly neighborhood witch detail.

130 posted on 04/05/2005 10:08:51 AM PDT by harrowup (Just naturally perfect and humble of course)
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To: ClintonBeGone

If you won't accept the numbers that the BP admits to, then you are hopeless as nothing less than each and every illegal showing up on your frontdoor step will do it for you.


131 posted on 04/05/2005 10:09:51 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: harrowup
Average Weight: Migrant...125#; Vigilante...290#

LOL now you just made me spill my pork rinds all over the floor. My dog thanks you. :)

132 posted on 04/05/2005 10:10:11 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Dead Corpse

"If you won't accept the numbers that the BP admits to, then you are hopeless as nothing less than each and every illegal showing up on your frontdoor step will do it for you."

If you cared about accuracy, would you ever believe the numbers of a self serving union?


133 posted on 04/05/2005 10:11:06 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: All



QUESTION: Could a border state Governor legally activate the National Guard and post them on the border under the premise of an emergency response to illegal immigration?

Isn't it an "emergency" like a natural disaster? Governors do this after hurricanes and such, to guard aginst looting and lawlessness. I consider rampant illegal immigration to be just as "lawless" as looting and rioting.

Now to be sure, the Feds would most likely "federalize" the troops and send them back to the barracks, but it sure would send a message to Washington that we are severely fed up with the current situation.

I don't think Napolitano(Arizona) would do it because she seems too much like a squish when push comes to shove.

I know Richardson(New Mexico) wouldn't do it because he's a third world loving PU$%Y.

Perry(Texas) Wouldn't do it because he's a Bush apologizer/crony.

But....Arnie(California) might do it. He's certainly got the balls and seems to be pretty sympathetic to our cause.


134 posted on 04/05/2005 10:11:12 AM PDT by Quartermaster
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To: ClintonBeGone

If the BP wanted to keep their jobs, they'd understate the numbers to prove they are effective. Admitting to over 10 million getting by them is probably a serious "low balling" of the real numbers.


135 posted on 04/05/2005 10:11:27 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: ClintonBeGone

"I'm not suggesting anyone because I think all the stats on this issue are biased and unaccurate. The experience by the MMK's tells me that what number that are out there are wildly inflated by people with an agenda. #1 agend is the BP, attempting to keep their jobs and increase the union membership. #2 come from people that simply don't care for immigrants."

Ok. You stated earlier that there is no illegal immigration problem. What unbiased sources led you to this conclusion?


136 posted on 04/05/2005 10:12:42 AM PDT by Kokojmudd (Today's Liberal is Tomorrow's Prospective Flying Saucer Abductee)
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To: Dead Corpse

"Thier first crime was BEING HERE in the first place. If they came here LEGALLY, they wouldn't have that problem."

But why would you encourgage them to commit more crime?


137 posted on 04/05/2005 10:12:43 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ClintonBeGone
I'd care more for their accuracy than yours. Especially since in all these threads, you have yet to put up one piece of evidence to bolster your absurd comments. Not one.

Run along now troll...

138 posted on 04/05/2005 10:13:21 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: ClintonBeGone

what does your buddy Rush have to say about it?


139 posted on 04/05/2005 10:13:37 AM PDT by sdpatriot (remember waco and ruby ridge)
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To: ClintonBeGone
No stat that deals with border crossings is provided by an objective source.

So we just have to take your word for it?

Very convenient for you.

140 posted on 04/05/2005 10:13:42 AM PDT by Flyer ( http://dahtcom.com)
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