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Rancher in border case backs Minutemen
Denton Record-Chronicle ^ | April 2, 2005 | TRACEY EATON

Posted on 04/03/2005 5:06:19 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

HEBBRONVILLE, Texas – A South Texas man who was sued two years ago after immigrants claimed they'd been chased and assaulted on his ranch said he's "100 percent" behind the Minuteman Project, launched Friday in Arizona to protest security gaps along the U.S.-Mexico border.

But Joe Sutton said he isn't convinced the effort will slow illegal immigration and worries that citizen enforcers "are going to be tangled up in a court of law. Just like I was."

Hundreds of Minuteman volunteers this weekend are converging on the Arizona-Mexico border for a monthlong protest of what they describe as the federal government's "decades-long careless disregard" of immigration laws.

President Bush calls them "vigilantes," but supporters say they're trying to protect America from "an invasion."

Impossible task

Mr. Sutton said he backs the spirit of the protest, saying it's a natural evolution "of what I was trying to do." But he now believes that stopping illegal migrants is next to impossible.

In 2003, his own efforts drew national attention after he invited members of a group called Ranch Rescue to help him patrol his property, about six miles from Hebbronville off State Highway 16. A Salvadoran man and his wife claimed that the volunteers detained them unlawfully, threatened them and accosted them. Immigrant advocates sued Ranch Rescue, along with Mr. Sutton and his wife, Betty.

The parties settled the lawsuit, which Mr. Sutton saw as a vindication, but he said the experience left him less willing to take matters into his own hands.

So these days, when he sees suspected illegal migrants wandering near his 5,000-acre ranch, he said he rarely bothers hitting the speed dial for the Border Patrol.

"If my government doesn't care, why should I?" asked the rancher, sounding both frustrated and resigned.

He quickly points out that he's not "anti-government." In fact, he's a Bush supporter. But he said he was "really ticked off" when the president called the Minutemen "vigilantes."

People are only trying to protect what's theirs, he said.

"Whether you rent an apartment or live in a foxhole or on a million-dollar ranch, you have certain rights," he said. "How would you like it if you woke up and found a bunch of illegal aliens taking a bath in your children's swimming pool?"

Immigrant advocates say they oppose civilian efforts to keep undocumented workers out of the country.

"It leads to actions of hate, and we cannot condone that in this country," said Marisol Perez, a spokeswoman for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund in San Antonio. "It's obvious there's a very anti-immigrant climate right now."

Nearly 40 percent of the population of North Texas is made up of foreign-born immigrants and their children, census figures show.

"Perhaps one half of our immigrant population is undocumented, while a great majority lives in poverty, does not speak English, has no legal status and is socially marginalized," according to a study by Dallas-Fort Worth International (DFWI), a nonprofit organization bringing together more than 1,600 civic, community and educational groups.

"You have workers who are going to accept the lowest pay and no benefits. And that's why they keep coming," said Anne Marie Weiss-Armush, DFWI's director. "Blocking the border isn't going to do anything. We'd better learn Spanish."

'End of America'

That kind of talk has William Gheen calling it "the end of America as we know it."

At least 10 million illegal immigrants are in the U.S. now, "and that'll double in five years," said Mr. Gheen, president of Americans for Legal Immigration, a private group in Raleigh, N.C. "We're in real trouble."

"It's not just Texas, California and Arizona anymore," said Rick Oltman, western U.S. field director for the Federation for American Immigration Reform. "Everybody is being impacted by immigration. That's why the Minuteman Project has drawn so much attention."

Some immigration reform advocates would like to see a similar effort in Texas.

"There definitely should be complimentary efforts in Texas and in all the other border states," said Jack Wright, a spokesman for Ranch Rescue. "What we are witnessing in our border counties is not immigration, it is a crime wave of biblical proportions."

Back in Hebbronville, Mr. Sutton was preparing for another deluge of travelers from the south.

"We've had thousands of illegal aliens come over the border and go through this ranch. We were broken into less than a month ago for the umpteenth time," he said.

"Some people say we're losing the state. I'm pretty convinced we've already lost it."


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1 posted on 04/03/2005 5:06:20 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
".. In 2003, his own efforts drew national attention after he invited members of a group called Ranch Rescue to help him patrol his property, about six miles from Hebbronville off State Highway 16. A Salvadoran man and his wife claimed that the volunteers detained them unlawfully, threatened them and accosted them. Immigrant advocates sued Ranch Rescue, along with Mr. Sutton and his wife, Betty.

The parties settled the lawsuit, which Mr. Sutton saw as a vindication, but he said the experience left him less willing to take matters into his own hands..."

I wonder what the terms of the settlement were?

2 posted on 04/03/2005 5:10:21 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
President Bush calls them "vigilantes," ...

Thanks for the media-ready negative soundbite there, Jorge.

3 posted on 04/03/2005 5:11:24 AM PDT by dagnabbit (Vincente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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To: Anti-Bubba182
That kind of talk has William Gheen calling it "the end of America as we know it."

Americans are supporting these illegals with their tax money, if that's ok with you than keep allowing it. How dare these illegals sue Americans to add insult to injury! If thats NOT ok with you than do something, contact congress and senate.

4 posted on 04/03/2005 5:11:49 AM PDT by stopem
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To: Anti-Bubba182; 7.62 x 51mm
"It leads to actions of hate, and we cannot condone that in this country," said Marisol Perez, a spokeswoman for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund in San Antonio. "It's obvious there's a very anti-immigrant climate right now."

when are these ignorant, America abusing, hero's to the left, going to get it right... America is not against LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, its the sneaking in illegally groups we have to stop

5 posted on 04/03/2005 5:16:37 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
President Bush calls them "vigilantes," but supporters say they're trying to protect America from "an invasion."

I think that's stretching it a bit.

6 posted on 04/03/2005 5:19:45 AM PDT by Jackknife (No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation.-MacArthur)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

- "It leads to actions of hate, and we cannot condone that in this country," said Marisol Perez-

No, "it" does not. The peasants crossing the borders illegally and then stealing our hard-earned money in the form of free services leads to the deterioration of our infrastructure and ultimately anger. Plus, these theives aren't loyal to the USA, so they insist on turning parts of it into Mexico. Once they turn parts of the USA into the same craphole they were trying to get out of, they'll invade the rest of the country.


8 posted on 04/03/2005 5:38:23 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: dagnabbit

I have read that Bush did indeed use the word "vigilantes". I was stunned by his use of the word.

According to the dictionary "vigilantes" is defined as those who would "suppress and punish crime summarily".
His use of the word vigilantes is overkill.

I think the president is using a little "spin" to try to discourage patriots from their stated task of "reporting any aliens illegally crossing our borders to the border patrol".

It's been clearly stated by the minutemen that their objective is to REPORT to the border authorities, not "suppress or punish" anyone.

God bless these men who, with the rest of law abiding America, have been forsaken by our own government on this illegal immigrant issue.

Lastly, I would like to say that I campaigned vigorously for Mr. Bush in many ways during the last election, but had I known his stance on some domestic issues, my fervor would have been much less....such is politics.


9 posted on 04/03/2005 5:55:50 AM PDT by yer gonna put yer eye out (Will quip for food...)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
When a U.S. citizen's rights are secondary to an illegal alien/criminal rights we have lost the country.
10 posted on 04/03/2005 6:07:16 AM PDT by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: sure_fine
Is that you Lou, Lou Dobbs--CNN? Sounds just like you.
11 posted on 04/03/2005 6:09:02 AM PDT by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: sure_fine
In my small Midwest town we have an influx of new Mexican origin citizens. They're great people and most of our locals have welcomed them with open arms. I've gotten to know a couple of them and THEY don't want illegal immigrants in the country. It gives them a bad name. What's really sad is that they love this country and appreciate the freedom and opportunity far more than most people who were born here. Oh well, the public schools will soon teach them what a lousy place the US really is.
12 posted on 04/03/2005 6:09:44 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (What's the difference between Joseph Goebbels and Michael Moore? About 150 pounds.)
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To: HiJinx

Ping!


13 posted on 04/03/2005 6:18:32 AM PDT by TERMINATTOR ("I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere" - GWB)
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To: rodguy911

are you suggesting "I" might be like him?


14 posted on 04/03/2005 6:25:53 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
"It's obvious there's a very anti-immigrant climate right now."

No, from what I have observed it is anti-ILLEGAL-immigrant.
15 posted on 04/03/2005 6:35:27 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: jakkknife

Yes, calling them “vigilantes” with the modern negative connotation is stretching it.


16 posted on 04/03/2005 6:37:34 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: sure_fine
A dead ringer.
While Dobbs is anything but conservative he has been a staunch allie on the border fiasco and his audience which usually you would expect to be 99% lib/rat, since it's CNN, supports him 80-90% of the time on border issues.
17 posted on 04/03/2005 6:42:26 AM PDT by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: GABaptist

"Are we talking LEGAL immigrants or illegal immigrants?"

They are NOT "illegal immigrants." They are ILLEGAL ALIENS.


18 posted on 04/03/2005 7:00:13 AM PDT by politicalwit (Import Poverty...Hire an Illegal Alien)
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To us the border crossing vampires are illegal aliens, mixed in with a few drug dealers, terrorists and who knows what else. But to the MSM and those who re-invent the truth they are "poor Mexicons looking for work". That is tough to overcome. Slowly but surely the job is getting done.
19 posted on 04/03/2005 7:25:40 AM PDT by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: jakkknife
Think invasion is too strong a term? Check out the Ranch Rescue web site. Over 180 documented examples of the Mexican Army crossing the border. In some instances they ENGAGE American citizens and USBP personnel. There are thousands of Mexican troops on the border right now, and these guys make a handsome living on the side by helping the narcotrafficantes cross the border, in some instances by laying down SUPPRESSIVE FIRE across the border or firing at USBP helicopters. USBP is instructed to avoid confrontations and exits the area, allowing for the drug laden trucks to enter the US unhindered. Add in the Mexican sentiment that we are illegally squatting on historic Mexican property (Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Southern Colorado)and it takes on ominous overtones.
20 posted on 04/03/2005 7:32:56 AM PDT by scout34 (scout34)
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