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This is for anyone who can answer it. I just want to get to the bottom of this particular question. I heard that Terri never had an MRI. But someone arguing for the other side said that was a lie, and that she indeed did have an MRI. What's the story on that, did she or didn't she?


6 posted on 03/31/2005 3:22:05 PM PST by incindiary
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What's the story on that, did she or didn't she?

She didn't.

11 posted on 03/31/2005 3:24:14 PM PST by John Valentine
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At some point metal probes were inserted into her brain in the hopes that it would stimulate her brain to recover.

You cannot use MRI with those probes in her brain.

Are you truly suggesting that she really was cognizant of her surroundings?

15 posted on 03/31/2005 3:26:34 PM PST by OldFriend ( SAW MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH ON CSPAN........AWESOME)
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Ole Mikey whisked her off without telling her folks to California for some kind of "experimental treatment" that isn't really anything I know much about. This treatment included putting some kind of shunt in her head that is platinum. The docs there recommended pulling it out, but, dontchaknow, he never did that for some reason. And, yet, having the shunt(s--more than 1?) prevented an MRI from being done. Now isn't that just such a shame? Who would have thought?

I need a drink.


18 posted on 03/31/2005 3:30:17 PM PST by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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I heard that Terri never had an MRI. But someone arguing for the other side said that was a lie, and that she indeed did have an MRI.

A CAT scan was done, but due to having metallic probes implanted (easily removed), a MRI or the more definitive PET scans were not done.

23 posted on 03/31/2005 3:31:07 PM PST by dread78645 (Sarcasm tags are for wusses.)
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I have thought about this and on occasion have listened to the lib's take on this. Along with the other sides assertions that she did have an MRI and claims that Terri Schiavo went to see doctors in California. I doubt it. The reason is Terri Schiavo's medical records will never see the light of day. It is a privacy issue. In this case, if you heard Sean Hannity today, there may be something to hide.
44 posted on 03/31/2005 3:40:26 PM PST by peter the great
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To: incindiary
This is for anyone who can answer it. I just want to get to the bottom of this particular question. I heard that Terri never had an MRI. But someone arguing for the other side said that was a lie, and that she indeed did have an MRI. What's the story on that, did she or didn't she?

This may sound stupid but I was wondering about this as well. If she could not have the MRI because of implants in her brain, isn't MS the one who had the implants put in? If so, that might explain some things.

47 posted on 03/31/2005 3:42:15 PM PST by txlurker
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This is for anyone who can answer it. I just want to get to the bottom of this particular question.

I heard that Terri never had an MRI...

From www.nationalreview.com:
...BAD MEDICINE
And, quite apart from the question of Terri’s therapy and care, it is entirely likely that Terri has never been properly diagnosed. Terri is usually described as being in a Persistent Vegetative State (PVS), and indeed Judge Greer ruled as a finding of fact that she is PVS; but this diagnosis and finding were arrived at in a way that has many neurologists expressing surprise and dismay.

I have spent the past ten days recruiting and interviewing neurologists who are willing to come forward and offer affidavits or declarations concerning new testing and examinations for Terri. In addition to the 15 neurologists’ affidavits Gibbs had in time to present in court, I have commitments from over 30 others who are willing to testify that Terri should have new and additional testing, and new examinations by unbiased neurologists. Almost 50 neurologists all say the same thing: Terri should be reevaluated, Terri should be reexamined, and there are grave doubts as to the accuracy of Terri’s diagnosis of PVS. All of these neurologists are board-certified; a number of them are fellows of the prestigious American Academy of Neurology; several are professors of neurology at major medical schools.

So how can Judge Greer ignore the opinions of so many qualified neurologists, some of whom are leaders in the field? The answer is that Michael Schiavo, his attorney George Felos, and Judge Greer already have the diagnosis they want.

Terri’s diagnosis was arrived at without the benefit of testing that most neurologists would consider standard for diagnosing PVS. One such test is MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging). MRI is widely used today, even for ailments as simple as knee injuries — but Terri has never had one. Michael has repeatedly refused to consent to one. The neurologists I have spoken to have reacted with shock upon learning this fact. One such neurologist is Dr. Peter Morin. He is a researcher specializing in degenerative brain diseases, and has both an M.D. and a Ph.D. in biochemistry from Boston University.

In the course of my conversation with Dr. Morin, he made reference to the standard use of MRI and PET (Positron Emission Tomography) scans to diagnose the extent of brain injuries. He seemed to assume that these had been done for Terri. I stopped him and told him that these tests have never been done for her; that Michael had refused them.

There was a moment of dead silence.

“That’s criminal,” he said, and then asked, in a tone of utter incredulity: “How can he continue as guardian? People are deliberating over this woman’s life and death and there’s been no MRI or PET?” He drew a reasonable conclusion: “These people [Michael Schiavo, George Felos, and Judge Greer] don’t want the information.”

Dr. Morin explained that he would feel obligated to obtain the information in these tests before making a diagnosis with life and death consequences. I told him that CT (Computer-Aided Tomography) scans had been done, and were partly the basis for the finding of PVS. The doctor retorted, “Spare no expense, eh?” I asked him to explain the comment; he said that a CT scan is a much less expensive test than an MRI, but it “only gives you a tenth of the information an MRI does.” He added, “A CT scan is useful only in pretty severe cases, such as trauma, and also during the few days after an anoxic (lack of oxygen) brain injury. It’s useful in an emergency-room setting. But if the question is ischemic injury [brain damage caused by lack of blood/oxygen to part of the brain] you want an MRI and PET. For subsequent evaluation of brain injury, the CT is pretty useless unless there has been a massive stroke.”

Other neurologists have concurred with Dr. Morin’s opinion. Dr. Thomas Zabiega, who trained at the University of Chicago, said, “Any neurologist who is objective would say ‘Yes’” to the question, “Should Terri be given an MRI?”

But in spite of the lack of advanced testing, such as an MRI, attorney George Felos has claimed that Terri’s cerebral cortex has “liquefied,” and doctors for Michael Schiavo have claimed, on the basis of the CT scans, that parts of Terri’s cerebral cortex “have been replaced by fluid.” The problem with such contentions is that the available evidence can’t support them. Dr. Zabiega explained that “a CT scan can’t resolve the kind of detail needed” to make such a pronouncement: “A CT scan is like a blurry photograph.” Dr. William Bell, a professor of neurology at Wake Forest University Medical School, agrees: “A CT scan doesn’t give much detail. In order to see it on a CT, you have to have massive damage.” Is it possible that Terri has that sort of “massive” brain damage? According to Dr. Bell, that isn’t likely. Sometimes, he said, even patients who are PVS have a “normal or near normal” MRI.

So why hasn’t an MRI been done for Terri? That question has never been satisfactorily answered. George Felos has argued that an MRI can’t be done because of thalamic implants that were placed in Terri’s skull during the last attempt at therapy, dating back to 1992. But Felos’s contention ignores the fact that these implants could be removed. Indeed, the doctor who put them in instructed Michael to have them removed. Michael has never done so.

The most obvious possible explanation for what would otherwise be inexplicable behavior is that Michael Schiavo, George Felos, and Judge Greer don’t want to admit any information that would upset the diagnosis they already have. Dr. Morin, when told that Michael had refused an MRI, and that Judge Greer had confirmed the decision, said: “He refused a non-invasive test? People trying to do the right thing want the best and most complete information available. We don't have that in Terri’s case.” Dr. Bell agreed with this assessment, saying, “It seems as though they’re fearful of any additional information.”

THE CRANFORD DIAGNOSIS
Doctors for Michael Schiavo have said that an MRI and PET are not necessary for Terri because PVS is primarily a “clinical” diagnosis, that is, one arrived at on the basis of examination of the patient, rather than by relying on tests. And the neurologists I have spoken to agree on the clinical nature of the diagnosis, while insisting that advanced tests nonetheless are a necessary part of it. But the star medical witness for Michael Schiavo, Dr. Ronald Cranford of the University of Minnesota, has repeatedly dismissed calls for MRI testing, and his opinion has prevailed...


64 posted on 03/31/2005 3:51:33 PM PST by RonDog
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According to the "pro Terri" website Empire Journal.

7/24/1990
******MRI Report****** Dr. Pinkston
Profound atrophy w/ very atrophic appearing cortex. Mild white matter disease, anoxic/hpoxic injury

http://www.theempirejournal.com/02230551_medical_observations_sh.htm


96 posted on 03/31/2005 4:19:18 PM PST by Smartaleck
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I heard that Terri never had an MRI. But someone arguing for the other side said that was a lie, and that she indeed did have an MRI. What's the story on that, did she or didn't she?

I know someone already answered your question but I have a link to a court document that states she only had a CAT. It lists it on the first page.

PDF 2000 court doc

167 posted on 03/31/2005 7:24:24 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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