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F-15 crashes in Nevada
Air Force Link ^ | 3/27/2005 | AFPN Staff

Posted on 03/27/2005 11:42:54 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

3/25/2005 - NELLIS AIR FORCE BASE, Nev. (AFPN) -- An F-15 Eagle crashed at about 8:35 a.m. March 25 about 50 miles northeast of here.

The pilot ejected safely and was flown back to the base. He and the aircraft are assigned to the 422nd Test and Evaluation Squadron.

A board of officers will investigate the accident.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: eject; f15; f15eagle; nellisafb; planecrash
Sorry if already posted, I did a search. I've been looking for more info and haven't found anything yet.

The Nellis flight safety people are probably going nuts. An F-16 from Nellis crashed 10 days ago. (He took off intending to fly to Florida for a missile exercise. Soon after takeoff, the plane developed problems undisclosed yet. The piloted attempted RTB but couldn't make the runway. He ejected safely and the plane crashed short of the runway.)

1 posted on 03/27/2005 11:42:54 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Darn. . .and these things seem to happen in three's.


2 posted on 03/27/2005 11:44:48 AM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: Gunrunner2

The pilots are lucky , If this was a submarine the Capt. would lose his job, and his career.


3 posted on 03/27/2005 12:00:49 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Gunrunner2

There will be some folks getting orders soon, even before investigations are complete. Once it's known that personnel are okay, next thought is often about moving vans.


4 posted on 03/27/2005 12:02:46 PM PST by jblair
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To: sgtbono2002
What's to say this guy won't?

In my time at least, the Air Force really frowned on folks crashing their airplanes.

5 posted on 03/27/2005 12:04:08 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring; sgtbono2002
Indeed.

The Mishap and Accident Board will conduct their own investigations. If the pilot was found to have willfully violated regulations he will be fried. If he made a mistake, he will survive. In either case, it is not a fun place to be.

The Air Force realized many years ago guys were riding in the jet in an attempt to save it. They wondered why. It was found that the pilots, even though the mishap may not have been their fault in any way, they did not want to suffer the harsh "one mistake" Air Force mentality. The Air Force changed and now the Air Force understand flying jets, flying fighters especially, requires flying at the edge of the envelope and sometimes things a) break, and b) you make an honest mistake. The Air Force does not punish for a mistake; they punish for a crime.
6 posted on 03/27/2005 12:15:39 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: DuncanWaring

Then they were frowning quite a bit.


7 posted on 03/27/2005 12:23:33 PM PST by demlosers (Soylent Green is made in Florida)
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To: sgtbono2002

Well at least if your submarine engine stops you will land in the water.....


8 posted on 03/27/2005 12:30:21 PM PST by jmq
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To: Gunrunner2
Wing Commanders and Squadron Commanders were always at risk when aircraft were lost. At least it was that way through the 70's and early 80's when I was around what was called TAC. The important thing is that these pilots survived the accidents. Once pilot error is eliminated as a cause, the trail picks up at all possible support and technology avenues. People may lose their jobs. Often, politics come to bare on the decision to cut new orders.
9 posted on 03/27/2005 12:32:42 PM PST by jblair
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To: sgtbono2002

A lot of military aircraft crash.

My experience is that an aviation accident is not treated the same as a ship grounding.

If a ship runs aground, barring an engineering failure caused by some unpreventable happenstance, then procedures have not been followed appropriately, and disciplinary action almost always follows.

There are plenty of reasons a plane may crash through no fault of the pilot, and he may not be held responsible. In the standard investigation, even if it is found that a mechanic safety-wired a bolt incorrectly or put a pin in backwards, they may or may not be disciplined.

If there is a pattern of shoddy work, the commanding officer of the squadron may pay for it.


10 posted on 03/27/2005 1:49:35 PM PST by rlmorel (Teresa Heinz-Kerry, better known as Kerry's "Noisy Two Legged ATM")
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To: Calpernia; Velveeta

Ping


11 posted on 03/27/2005 2:26:26 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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A neighbor growing up, commanded a submarine that grounded. I don't know for what period of time, but it did not matter. This gentleman was top shelf, heavily educated by the Navy, etc. He was reassigned to the Navy Annex, then he retired. The suburbs of the Beltway are full of stories like this. Making it to general staff level is a game of survival.


12 posted on 03/27/2005 3:19:32 PM PST by jblair
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True enough. But it is different for aviators. Planes and helicopters crashing is a numbers game, I think. You fly long enough in military craft, and you are going to have some kind of mishap. Subs and surface ships are definitely different...no doubt about it.


13 posted on 03/27/2005 5:56:07 PM PST by rlmorel (Teresa Heinz-Kerry, better known as Kerry's "Noisy Two Legged ATM")
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