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CA: Controversial professor to speak at Cal ('Hot Wadd' Churchill and the little eichmanns tour)
SFgate.com ^ | 3/26/05 | Charles Burress

Posted on 03/26/2005 9:16:00 AM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: NormsRevenge

"Roiled by the ensuing uproar, the University of Colorado at Boulder announced Thursday that Churchill's views are protected by the First Amendment but that it will conduct a formal investigation of charges against him of "research misconduct" including plagiarism and fabrication and of misrepresenting himself as a Native American."

Why is it the liberal's point of view that "free speech" means offensive, inaccurate, or defamatory speech that has NO consequences? The founding fathers knew that their words could get them literally hung by the English if prosecuted, yet Churchill misrepresents both his background, ethnicity, and others under the shield of free speech, yet feels that he can say as he likes without any fear of retribution.

Sorry, pal. That isn't the way it works. Unless, of course, you have the liberal professor's guarantee of non-persecution: tenure, and are saying the liberal line. Funny how political correctness can get a student expelled for saying the kinds of things Churchill said.

How did a fake Indian with only a Master's in communication get to be a professor and head of his own department anyway? I guess the rules for acquiring tenure are different (read it: more difficult) if you are the "member" of a minority group. You would think that faking credentials would be cause for dismissal.


21 posted on 03/26/2005 12:34:23 PM PST by SpinyNorman (Islamofascists are the true infidels.)
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To: Lelu
He is exercising his right to free speech. Should we not embrace pluralism and receive ALL views including those that are controversial especially in an educational environment?

Let's take a gander through the schedule at Cal. Let's see if the Swiftboat Vets spoke there, or if Rush Limbaugh did...Oh, gee, what a shocker there - they've never been invited to speak.

If maniacs like Ward are welcome, yet those who have opposite opinions are not, then it isn't a case of free speech. That's limited speech. You're welcome to talk, so long as we agree with your views. That is not the point of higher learning; that is known as brain washing.
22 posted on 03/26/2005 1:45:32 PM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: kingu

Wonder who pays his appearance fee? Sure as h*** better not be tax payers' money.


23 posted on 03/26/2005 3:28:41 PM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT
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To: Lelu
What happens when we listen and learn from others? Empathy and compassion...awareness...the greatest knowledge.

Uh huh..."Empathy and compassion" from a guy who was happy to see terrorists kill Americans.

Tell me what you have learned from Churchill.

Don't chicken out, newbie.

24 posted on 03/26/2005 3:38:52 PM PST by L.N. Smithee (To some people, Terri Schiavo is a deformed fetus in the 120th trimester)
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To: Lelu
Empathy and compassion...awareness...the greatest knowledge.

Indoctrination and reversed discrimination..."feelings"...rewritten history and distorted viewpoints.

25 posted on 03/26/2005 3:48:16 PM PST by Ladysmith (Wisconsin Hunter Shootings: If you want on/off the WI Hunters ping list, please let me know.)
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To: ColdWarNavyVet_dirsup

I no longer hold the academy in much respect. A ditch digger is a more honorable profession than being a college prof. I read in one of Dennis Prager's books that Hitler's most loyal supporters came from the German intelligensia. He also observed that Communism is such a ridiculous idea that it could only be taken seriously by someone with multiple letters behind his/her name. The Vietnam War and the Great Society welfare state were spawned in think tanks operated by academians. Beware the Academy--it is a gaggle of fools cut loose from reality.


26 posted on 03/26/2005 3:59:58 PM PST by attiladhun2
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To: attiladhun2

unfortunately i agree.
unfortunately in that i'd like to go back for a doctorate, but got so sick of the neo-marxist bent in my undergrad work - well, actually got dinged by them all the time for putting facts in the proper perspective ;-) that it feels like sysaphus rollin' those rocks up a hill.

it seems the main issue confronting us though, is that we desparately need to take back our educational forums, from kindergarten to post doctorate - and it is difficult to clean these cesspools out with just a garden hose... no?


27 posted on 03/26/2005 4:29:01 PM PST by ColdWarNavyVet_dirsup (it wasn't cold... 'specially not below the line of death ;-))
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To: Lelu
He can have all the free speech he wants. There's no reason for Colorado residents and tuition-paying students to subsidize his hate speech. Naw. The point of getting a higher education is to get that sheepskin that improves your status on the job market. Others use higher education to get drunk/stoned and hook up with co-eds. Some do both.
28 posted on 03/26/2005 4:38:30 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture (I hate hate)
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To: alameda; American Preservative; AR15_Patriot; Bob Evans; Bonaparte; bootless; cali5; Carry_Okie; ...
Drango, you know I'm often up for a good counter-Freep. :-)
Don't know if Monday is plausible for me...

In the meantime, let me PING my Greater Bay Area Freeper Bump List for ya.

29 posted on 03/26/2005 4:42:23 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture (I hate hate)
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To: NorCalRepub; Citizen James

Pinging a few others....


30 posted on 03/26/2005 4:47:42 PM PST by Drango (All my ideas, good or bad, are stolen from other FReepers)
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To: Condor51

Save your bigoted remarks about asians for the rest of your klaven bub. They are not welcome at FR.


31 posted on 03/28/2005 1:38:48 PM PST by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: NormsRevenge
"My position is to go extremely far in hearing what people have to say even if I disagree with it quite passionately. If there is any place possible for this to occur, it should be on a university campus."

Hmmm so Ill expect an invite to Randell Terry to talk about abortion any day now right? Pat Buchanan? David Horowitz?

32 posted on 03/28/2005 1:43:23 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: Lelu
Lelu, given you have been here a whole 2 days, you smell like a troll...

He has every right to say whatever he wants, he does not have a right to recieve taxpayer money to say it. We also have the right to protest what he says (thats our right to free speach)..

33 posted on 03/28/2005 1:45:47 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: Condor51
BTW, I want my shirts MONDAY , not Tuesday. And that was extra starch - got it. And 'hangers' NOT boxes.

No place for this crap here, move along

34 posted on 03/28/2005 1:48:31 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: bilhosty

Allegations of plagiarism mean nothing to UC. Does that mean that all student's term papers, thesis', lab reports, ... are fair game, too? Cheating on exams must be okay, too.

Must be okay because he is a member of an oppressed minority (Native American).

Oops! He might have lied about that too.

The hypocrisy of the left is never ending.


35 posted on 03/28/2005 2:01:10 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: LS

Proof that Marxism is such a dreadful failure:

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/atrox.htm

Note the total number of deaths under Stalin and Mao.

Suspect the numbers are much higher.


36 posted on 03/28/2005 2:06:31 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: N3WBI3
Bite me.
I hate Communists, that includes ASIAIN Commies.
37 posted on 03/28/2005 2:12:18 PM PST by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: Condor51
Except your comment was not aimed at Asian commies, it was aimed at Asian in general... If you're too slow to understand the difference I will use shorter words nextime..
38 posted on 03/28/2005 2:18:27 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Thanks for the pinger, I wonder if he got much of a crowd?

Funny ain't it how this is touted as necessary free speech, while Horowitz and Malkin can be shouted down and vilified for speaking on what they believe.
39 posted on 03/28/2005 11:46:52 PM PST by Syncro
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To: Syncro
It's all part of the playbook. If you want to become famous and a hero to the Left, say the most outrageous thing imaginable that would piss off the Right.

Hate $ELL$

40 posted on 03/29/2005 12:27:12 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture (I hate hate)
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