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Christoper Hitchens, Bill Donohue Debate Terri Schiavo Case on Hardball (Unbelievable!)
Hardball with Chris Matthews ^ | 3/24/05

Posted on 03/25/2005 9:14:55 PM PST by freespirited

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To: Conservative Goddess
Hitchens was really a strong proponent of the Iraq war and a strong Bush supporter. He is hard to categorize. On this issue, he is not taking the same position as religious conservatives.
21 posted on 03/25/2005 9:58:43 PM PST by Nike Hercules
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To: LibFreeOrDie
He's supported the WOT and the Iraqi election, and written scathing stuff about BJ Clinton, so he's not all bad. But as he's always made clear, he's a materialist.

Exactly right.

Hitchens simply and clearly knows who and what he is.  Considering his formidable skill and talent, that's good when he's on your side, like defending Saddam's demise, but not so good when he's not on your side, like tagging Terri Shindler as brain dead.

HITCHENS:  I‘m a materialist.  We don‘t have bodies.  We are bodies.  When the brain is gone, you are gone.  No physician who‘s attended her in any capacity has said that she‘s anything but totally brain-dead.  She‘s not disabled.  She‘s gone.

Here, I do not agree with Hitchens, but listening closely to his argument, delivered with his typically crisp and crystal clear rhetoric, ought to help us make our own arguments stronger.

You're right.  Donahue was no match for Hitchens, not because right was not on Donahue's side, but because Histchens' was and is simply that good.

 

22 posted on 03/25/2005 10:01:40 PM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: freespirited
This is not surprising of Hitchens to say. Only the very self centered people want Terri to die because they find her life "demeaning" in comparison to themselves.

Never mind that she is a living breathing human.

Soon people like Hitchen won't have to look at Terri's imperfections any longer and the world will be rid of one more unsightly reminder of what is too for much for their egos to comprehend.

23 posted on 03/25/2005 10:03:41 PM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: freespirited

Hitchens is a member of the all smarts and no hearts club. Their church is intellect and it's built on quicksand.


24 posted on 03/25/2005 10:05:40 PM PST by AHerald (If wrong, atheists will have an eternity to think about it.)
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To: pgkdan

I think it's a miracle that David Bois is actually on the right to life side.


25 posted on 03/25/2005 10:06:35 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Breaking & Entering -- Isn't the *United States* our home?)
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To: presently no screen name

Please tell, what did Juan say?


26 posted on 03/25/2005 10:07:17 PM PST by Collier
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

Actually, lawyers are the only group guaranteed to benefit from the new right-to-life for zombies legislation being proposed.


27 posted on 03/25/2005 10:09:59 PM PST by doppelganger (Like a broken clock, I'm occasionally right.)
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To: Racehorse
"HITCHENS: I‘m a materialist. We don‘t have bodies. We are bodies. When the brain is gone, you are gone. No physician who‘s attended her in any capacity has said that she‘s anything but totally brain-dead. She‘s not disabled. She‘s gone."


Some people will have to wait until their flesh body dies to learn it was designed only to house that body the eye cannot physically see.
28 posted on 03/25/2005 10:10:37 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: pgkdan
I would trust Boies as far as I can throw him.

He has been in trouble in Florida. Forget the details but he was sanctioned big time.

29 posted on 03/25/2005 10:11:29 PM PST by OldFriend ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child might have peace." Thomas Paine)
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To: freespirited
Well well, this one subject brings out the core of some people. This past week has shown that many many people we have in elected office, running courts and on TV are simply insane. Devoids.

Anyone that argues that it's sensible to kill this woman is themselves capable of anything in my view. People like Hillary and some in the US Senate figured this out. That's why they didn't stand and be counted. It says so much about them. And they know it. You can't hide from this discussion. Either you are for the good or the bad.

I never ever thought I'd see something like this in America. We have devised our own way of taking a woman out into the middle of the soccer field and shooting her in the back of the head while people cheer.

This week America looks as mean and evil as the worst backwards third world country we have pointed at in the past and by doing so declare out moral authority. If this women dies at the hand of our judicial system we are just a banana republic. And our "emperor" has no clothes.

30 posted on 03/25/2005 10:13:20 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Here come da king, er, judge!)
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To: doppelganger
Actually zombies are walking dead people.

One ...Terri isn't walking and two.... she's not dead yet.

It would be neat after she does die for all those that sentenced her to death to be visited during their sleep hours by walking dead Terri zombies though.

31 posted on 03/25/2005 10:17:07 PM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: isthisnickcool
This week America looks as mean and evil as the worst backwards third world country we have pointed at in the past and by doing so declare out moral authority. If this women dies at the hand of our judicial system we are just a banana republic. And our "emperor" has no clothes.

You said it, and you're right.

32 posted on 03/25/2005 10:18:15 PM PST by Tax Government (Withhold hydration from the judicial branch of government. Contribute to FR; that may help.)
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To: isthisnickcool

Excellent post.


33 posted on 03/25/2005 10:18:29 PM PST by Collier
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To: potlatch
So what was Hitchens' problem with Bill Clinton that he had to whine like a baby throughout No One Left To Lie To?

He bleated that Bewy had wied to hims.

Oh boo hoo.

Now Hitchens trumpets that he's a materialist--so if you're such a ma-teeer-ialist, what's your problem with a lie?

A lie is just more material--c'mon, Christopher, material: a lie, a handful of dirt, a human being--it's all just compost, just material.

Whence cometh this poof's problem with Clintonian deceit?

Death is just as good as life, there is no spirit, so lies are just as good as truth.

He's another lost soul clinging to any bit of flotsam or jetsam, which isn't hygenic in the current biohazard culture.

34 posted on 03/25/2005 10:19:27 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Darkwolf377

Read it 3 times and don't think Hitchens was condescending, just thoughtfully exasperated and pained by a lot of this. Even Matthews has been almost human this past week...I think he's grappling..some of the other media are too..got home tonight in time to hear andrea mitchell refer to starvation as a loaded term..she represents the backwater..


35 posted on 03/25/2005 10:19:43 PM PST by sugarplumsweety (The Swift sword of truth is a mighty and awesome thing.)
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To: sugarplumsweety
That's funny you point that out, I caught all of thirty seconds of some show with Tucker Carlson on it, and some woman from the Economist was shrieking about the term "STARVING--she's not starving". I had to laugh and turn off the tube on that one.

These stories bring out ALL the nuts!

36 posted on 03/25/2005 10:21:52 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (An agnostic against abortion and "assisted suicide" based on hearsay)
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To: isthisnickcool
We have devised our own way of taking a woman out into the middle of the soccer field and shooting her in the back of the head while people cheer.

Some people will say you are wrong because Terri had due process.

I am not one of those people. People are rationalizing killing a disabled woman. And yes, those kinds of people can rationalize anything, are capable of anything, and I think that we will start seeing that.

37 posted on 03/25/2005 10:21:55 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: freespirited

Matthews assertion that she cannot swallow, as if it isn't in dispute and that is what makes the nurse a liar, is utterly unreal. If she couldn't swallow, she would be drooling all over herself and choking on her own saliva.

She isn't nececessarily on the tube because she can't swallow, but possibly because initially it was very time consuming to feed her. But we'll never know, because the almighty judge has ruled for years that she not be fed by mouth which will now result in her death.

Sometimes I like Hitchens and I used to think he was bright but wrong, but I am not so sure about his intelligence any longer. How can you argue with such arrogance as he does when your facts are completely wrong? Not your opinions, but your facts. He said her EKG was flat and that all of the doctors had agreed and that she was brain dead. He is wrong. Only Cranford said that on television the other night. If she was brain dead, she would be on total life support because her brain could not maintain her bodily functions including all of her organs.

Also, his militant atheism has to go. I am not religious but he is rabid in his hatred for religious people.


38 posted on 03/25/2005 10:26:53 PM PST by Time4Atlas2Shrug
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To: sugarplumsweety

If Matthews is grappling so hard, he should stop calling her brain dead instead of brain damaged. He has been corrected and he keeps going with it. Just keeping with the agenda I suppose.

And Hitchens is always condescending - it is part of his appeal. I actually enjoy it - it's good fun.


39 posted on 03/25/2005 10:31:06 PM PST by Time4Atlas2Shrug
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To: freespirited
Her brain has shrunk to a point where it‘s no longer human. As you say, the—full of fluid. All people want to know at the point like this is how one can decently put an end to it. I must say, I find it revolving, the idea of—even if she can‘t feel anything, something in me rebels against the idea of, as they say, starving her. If I was a physician, I would just give her a morphine injection. And that is what is often done.

It frightens me to imagine the world Hitchens would consider just.

40 posted on 03/25/2005 10:33:49 PM PST by Dolphy
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