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To: Willie Green

Wonder how it got that way. Many of those underfunded plans were underfunded at the behest of the unions.


2 posted on 03/11/2005 1:30:11 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton; Willie Green
Wonder how it got that way. Many of those underfunded plans were underfunded at the behest of the unions.

I'd much rather have a defined contribution plan than a defined benefit plan. There's no such thing as an underfunded defined contribution plan. Not only that, but I wouldn't want my employer owning and running my pension fund.

This is an artifact of the graduated income tax. Pensions as employee benefits are not taxable to the employer. A flat tax would eliminate the incentive for employees to want compensation in kind rather than as cash.

3 posted on 03/11/2005 1:37:59 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: lepton

It shouldn't have..never...once a plan can't be funded..i.e. the implicit promises cannot be kept..the plan shoudl be terminated..assets distributed to the participants..however, "playing with the numbers".also known as changing the assumptions...is easily done...If I assume that plan assets will grow at 9% over the next 30 years, the plan can be overfunded..if I assume 4%..it will be underfunded..


4 posted on 03/11/2005 1:55:13 PM PST by ken5050 (The Dem party is as dead as the NHL..)
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To: lepton

They get that way because the unions strike, or threaten to strike, for higher and higher pensions and the employers promise them the higher pensions. Then the employers find themselves unable to fund the higher benefits.


5 posted on 03/11/2005 2:00:05 PM PST by libstripper
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To: lepton
Many of those underfunded plans were underfunded at the behest of the unions.

Was that the case here?
7 posted on 03/11/2005 3:11:17 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: lepton
Many of those underfunded plans were underfunded at the behest of the unions.

I seriously doubt that. The unions would like to yank every last cent from the shareholders. If the union could get shareholder money into the pension plan, they certainly would have.

11 posted on 03/13/2005 11:49:19 AM PST by SolidSupplySide
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