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U.S. Says It Has Withdrawn From World Judicial Body
NY Times ^ | March 10, 2005 | ADAM LIPTAK

Posted on 03/09/2005 8:35:05 PM PST by neverdem

Prompted by an international tribunal's decision last year ordering new hearings for 51 Mexicans on death rows in the United States, the State Department said yesterday that the United States had withdrawn from the protocol that gave the tribunal jurisdiction to hear such disputes.

The withdrawal followed a Feb. 28 memorandum from President Bush to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales directing state courts to abide by the decision of the tribunal, the International Court of Justice in The Hague. The decision required American courts to grant "review and reconsideration" to claims that the inmates' cases had been hurt by the failure of local authorities to allow them to contact consular officials.

The memorandum, issued in connection with a case the United States Supreme Court is scheduled to hear this month, puzzled state prosecutors, who said it seemed inconsistent with the administration's general hostility to international institutions and its support for the death penalty.

The withdrawal announced yesterday helps explains the administration's position.

Darla Jordan, a State Department spokeswoman, said the administration was troubled by foreign interference in the domestic capital justice system but intended to fulfill its obligations under international law.

But Ms. Jordan said, "We are protecting against future International Court of Justice judgments that might similarly interfere in ways we did not anticipate when we joined the optional protocol."

Peter J. Spiro, a law professor at the University of Georgia, said the withdrawal was unbecoming.

"It's a sore-loser kind of move," Professor Spiro said. "If we can't win, we're not going to play."

Ms. Jordan emphasized that the United States was not withdrawing from the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations itself, which gives people arrested abroad the right to contact their home countries' consulates. But the United States is withdrawing, she said, from an optional protocol that gives the International Court of Justice in The Hague, the principal judicial organ of the United Nations, jurisdiction to hear disputes under the convention.

"While roughly 160 countries belong to the consular convention," she said, "less than 30 percent of those countries belong to the optional protocol. By withdrawing from the protocol, the United States has joined the 70 percent of the countries that do not belong. For example, Brazil, Canada, Jordan, Russia and Spain do not belong."

Among the countries that have signed the protocol are Australia, Britain, Germany and Japan.

Ms. Jordan said Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice informed Kofi Annan, the secretary general of the United Nations, of the move on Monday.

Harold Hongju Koh, the dean of the Yale Law School and a former State Department official in the Clinton administration, said the Bush administration's strategy was counterproductive.

"International adjudication is an important tool in a post-cold-war, post-9/11 world," Dean Koh said.

For 40 years, from 1946 to 1986, the United States accepted the general jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice in all kinds of cases against other nations that had also agreed to the court's jurisdiction. After an unfavorable ruling from the court in 1986 over the mining of Nicaragua's harbors, the United States withdrew from the court's general jurisdiction.

But it continued to accept its jurisdiction under about 70 specific treaties, including the protocol withdrawn from on Monday, said Lori F. Damrosch, a law professor at Columbia. The other treaties cover subjects like navigation, terrorism, narcotics and copyrights, and they are unaffected.

The United States Supreme Court is scheduled to hear the case of José Ernesto Medellín, a Mexican on death row in Texas, on March 28. Mr. Medellín asks the court to enforce last year's judgment of the international tribunal. Texas opposes the request.

When the federal government filed its supporting brief for Texas in the case at the end of last month, it appended the memorandum from the president to the attorney general.

Before the administration's strategy came into focus, international law professors greeted the memorandum with amazement.

"This is a president who has been openly hostile to international law and international institutions knuckling under, and knuckling under where there are significant federalism concerns," Professor Spiro said.

As it turned out, Dean Koh said, the government had "an integrated strategy."

"Element 1," he continued, "was to take the bat out of the Supreme Court's hand."

Lawyers for Mr. Medellín reacted cautiously. In a motion filed in the Supreme Court yesterday, Donald F. Donovan, a lawyer with the New York law firm Debevoise & Plimpton, asked the court to put off hearing argument until Texas state courts could consider Mr. Medellín's claim.

For their part, Texas prosecutors have not conceded that the president has the power to force courts there to reopen the Medellín case.

In a statement, Jerry Strickland, a spokesman for Attorney General Greg Abbott of Texas, questioned the president's authority.

"The State of Texas believes no international court supersedes the laws of Texas or the laws of the United States," Mr. Strickland said. "We respectfully believe the executive determination exceeds the constitutional bounds for federal authority."

Sandra Babcock, a Minnesota lawyer who represents the government of Mexico, said she had no doubt that the president was authorized to instruct state courts to reopen Mr. Medellín's case and 50 others.

"The law is on our side," Ms. Babcock said. "The president is on our side. I keep having to slap myself."


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To: ApesForEvolution
"?????????"

"Darla Jordan, a State Department spokeswoman, said the administration was troubled by foreign interference in the domestic capital justice system but intended to fulfill its obligations under international law."

All better? ;)

101 posted on 03/10/2005 3:31:26 AM PST by G.Mason ("I have never killed a man but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure" - Clarence Darrow)
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To: hedgetrimmer
" This is absolutely correct."

Absolutly!

As per the Constitution of the United States of America.

102 posted on 03/10/2005 3:34:08 AM PST by G.Mason ("I have never killed a man but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure" - Clarence Darrow)
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To: F16Fighter
U.S. Says It Has Withdrawn From UN

Will we then suffer the same fate as did the Confederacy when it tried to secede from the Union? ;-)

103 posted on 03/10/2005 3:45:16 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: westmichman

How so?


104 posted on 03/10/2005 3:50:21 AM PST by clee1 (It takes 17 muscles to frown, 5 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm a very lazy person.)
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To: DoughtyOne
"Some of the people here are ever the eternal optimists ... "

Though I agree with many points you have made here, I would caution you to consider the delicate balancing act that the administration has, not only with the rest of the world, but with the enemies within this country.

IMHO ... President Bush is moving at a pace he deems prudent.

For many of us it is a snails pace with too little too late.

I find some comfort in awakening each day and realizing that the enemy Democrats are losing more and more power with each passing hour.

The UN (appointment of John Bolton ) is being disemboweled, the international court chewed up, France and Germany left swinging in the breeze.

President Bush is eating the sandwich the size of a large loaf of Italian bread. He's taking small bites, but he will eat it all. ;)

Regards

105 posted on 03/10/2005 3:55:25 AM PST by G.Mason ("I have never killed a man but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure" - Clarence Darrow)
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To: neverdem

Now lets have a moment of silence for all the 3rd party Freepers who every election year constantly tell us that there is no difference between the Rs and Ds.


106 posted on 03/10/2005 4:20:33 AM PST by Sci Fi Guy
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To: peyton randolph

Someone needs to check up on this Spiro, law professor at UG. Sounds like a globalist who hates the idea of US sovereignty, let alone states' rights. Texas should refuse to cave on this one. Every Mexican murderer needs to have his execution put on the fast track as of yesterday.


107 posted on 03/10/2005 4:26:58 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: neverdem
"Ms. Babcock said.... "I keep having to slap myself."

Hey "Bab's, If you get tired, give me a call.

/s

108 posted on 03/10/2005 4:39:06 AM PST by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Gen G Patton)
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To: longtermmemmory; Dog; Grampa Dave
international adjudication is crucial to the enemies of the USA. It is their ONLY viable weapon.

They cannot beat the US on the battlefield or in the world marketplace, so they're taking America to World Court. It's the International version of what the Left has done in domestic courts when they cannot get their agenda fufilled by ballot or legislation.

109 posted on 03/10/2005 5:06:27 AM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: neverdem

"The State of Texas believes no international court supersedes the laws of Texas or the laws of the United States," Mr. Strickland said. "We respectfully believe the executive determination exceeds the constitutional bounds for federal authority."


110 posted on 03/10/2005 5:11:54 AM PST by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: Destro

Hooray! Destro is free!


111 posted on 03/10/2005 5:13:37 AM PST by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: BJungNan; peyton randolph; Mightylucky
Who came up with such a hair brain scheme? International court having jurisdiction over us.

Any time you hear the term "world court", think "world government". The Clintons are closet "world government" supporters. That's why Hillary! is so dangerous. And her husband wants to be Sec. General of the UN. If they are both in power at the same time (shudder to think about it), our country's sovereignty will be at stake!!!!!!!

112 posted on 03/10/2005 5:23:16 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: neverdem
Great news!!

Next on the list of rats nests to clean out...


113 posted on 03/10/2005 5:26:06 AM PST by reagan_fanatic ("Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence" - R. Kirk)
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To: LibertarianInExile

Don't forget Crispus Attucks.

Gotta have at least ONE brotha up in there!

;-)


114 posted on 03/10/2005 5:36:39 AM PST by Chef Dajuan
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To: neverdem; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...

Well, I'll be dipped.


115 posted on 03/10/2005 5:42:03 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

Oooohhh, thanks for the ping.


116 posted on 03/10/2005 5:47:59 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: FairOpinion

THIS is scary! It was about time to totally withdraw from letting other interfere in our sovereignty.

and we have to add, us interferring in the sovereignty of other nations.

If we do it to other countries, then it's only fair to assume they will try to interfere in ours.

The Judicial Treaty and ALL treaties not of a defensive nature, should be immediately withdrawn from.


117 posted on 03/10/2005 5:50:44 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (A Patriot must always be willing to defend his Country against his Government)
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To: neverdem
"While roughly 160 countries belong to the consular convention," she said, "less than 30 percent of those countries belong to the optional protocol

Looks like the US is only withdrawing from the optional protocol......sigh........ I guess it's a start.
118 posted on 03/10/2005 6:00:15 AM PST by stylin19a (The moose always rings twice....)
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To: neverdem
"It's a sore-loser kind of move," Professor Spiro said. "If we can't win, we're not going to play."

What part of

"... future International Court of Justice judgments that might similarly interfere in ways we did not anticipate when we joined the optional protocol."

does the good professor Spiro not understand?
Further proof that some people can be and are educated beyond their intelligence...

119 posted on 03/10/2005 6:02:29 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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