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Judicial Nominee Practiced Law Without License in Utah
Washington POst ^ | June 21, 2004 | Carol D. Leonnig

Posted on 03/08/2005 6:13:08 AM PST by MurryMom

Thomas B. Griffith, President Bush's nominee for the federal appeals court in Washington, has been practicing law in Utah without a state law license for the past four years, according to Utah state officials.

Under Utah law, Griffith's only option for obtaining the state license was to take and pass the state bar exam, an arduous test that lawyers try to take only once. He applied to sit for the exam, but never took it, Utah bar officials confirm.

Utah State Bar rules require all lawyers practicing law in the state to have a Utah law license. There is no general exception for general counsels or corporate counsels. Lawyers who practice only federal law or whose work is solely administrative can avoid the requirement in some cases.

Griffith discovered in November 2001, a year after he joined Brigham Young, that his District law license had lapsed several years earlier, in 1998, for failure to pay his dues. He immediately paid his dues and renewed his D.C. license, Nowacki said. But for the first year in Utah, he was advising Brigham Young, a Mormon university in Provo, without a current law license from any state.

A lawyer who specializes in legal ethics said Griffith's two licensing lapses should disqualify him from a lifetime appointment to one of the nation's most important federal benches, second only to the Supreme Court.

"This moves it for me from the realm of negligence to the realm of willfulness," said Mark Foster, a Zuckerman Spaeder attorney who represents lawyers in ethics matters. "People who thumb their noses at the rules of the bar shouldn't be judges."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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Presidents who thumb their noses at Congress should not have their judicial appointees confirmed.
1 posted on 03/08/2005 6:13:11 AM PST by MurryMom
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To: MurryMom
Thomas B. Griffith, President Bush's nominee for the federal appeals court in Washington, has been practicing law in Utah without a state law license for the past four years..

Oh the HORROR! Practicing law without a Utah license - WE'RE DOOMED!

(so I say, big deal. what about the millions of lawyers who practice law without morals or ethics?)

2 posted on 03/08/2005 6:29:22 AM PST by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Gen G Patton)
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To: MurryMom

An article from the Washington Post citing Mark Foster of Zuckerman Spader, a Washington DC firm which lists the American Civil Liberties Union as a client doesn't like one of President Bush's nominees. What a surprise.
More from the article: "The Utah State Bar advised him that to the extent his duties as general counsel involved legal advice, he ought to closely associate himself with a Utah bar member," Justice spokewman John Nowaci said. "It has been Mr. Griffith's practice to closely associate himself with a Utah bar member when giving legal advice."


3 posted on 03/08/2005 6:37:41 AM PST by tumblindice (Our Founding Fathers: all conservative gun owners)
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To: MurryMom

Good heavens! I haven't seen your nick around here in ages. Is it just me? Damn, you have longevity.


4 posted on 03/08/2005 6:38:16 AM PST by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: prion
Yep, I do have longevity. JimRob seems to adore balanced budget conservatives on his board.

This fella Griffith doesn't seem to be another one of Bush's "God's gifts to humanity" does he? Nope, just another Republican Party political hack trying to litter the Washington landscape with his sorry carcass.

5 posted on 03/08/2005 6:43:30 AM PST by MurryMom
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To: MurryMom
Justices who thumb their noses at the Constitution should not be on the Supreme Court. Or hadn't you noticed Justice Kennedy's decision this week that rewrote the Constitution because he didn't like the way it was?

Sheesh.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "Death in a Courtly Manner"

6 posted on 03/08/2005 6:46:50 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Proud to be a FORMER member of the Bar of the US Supreme Court since July, 2004.)
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To: MurryMom
Balanced budget conservative? LOL!
More like unbalanced tax and spend socialist.
Why you are still here remains one of the great mysteries of life.........
the term "comic relief" comes to mind.
7 posted on 03/08/2005 6:49:36 AM PST by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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To: MurryMom

Practicing law without a license is not acceptable. It is not clear from this story that he was practicing law. What did he do for BYU, and did it fall under the administrative practice only exception? If not he needs to withdraw his name.


8 posted on 03/08/2005 6:51:49 AM PST by Pilsner
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To: Condor51

Did you learn that response from the liberals? What is it, do as I say not as I do? Not having a law license is a very big deal.


9 posted on 03/08/2005 6:53:51 AM PST by em2vn
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To: em2vn

Uh does the SARCASM tag always have to be posted?


10 posted on 03/08/2005 6:57:42 AM PST by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Gen G Patton)
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To: MurryMom

He was an in-house counsel for BYU. Unless he was appearing in court, he didn't need to be licensed.

It is possible that his name was placed on pleadings filed by the university, and that would be a violation, even if he didn't actually show up in court.

Actually, I have some sympathy for him. For a time, I was working in two places at the same time. I assumed that the staff at my firm had renewed my bar membership, but they hadn't, and I didn't know it until after it had lapsed. I don't think my name appeared on any filings during that period of a couple of months, so there was no technical violation. But I can see how this would happen, particularly if you are not with a firm, and not going to court a lot.


11 posted on 03/08/2005 7:02:14 AM PST by lady lawyer
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"This moves it for me from the realm of negligence to the realm of willfulness," said Mark Foster, a Zuckerman Spaeder attorney who represents lawyers in ethics matters. "People who thumb their noses at the rules of the bar shouldn't be judges."

At least they found a completely unbiased ethics professor to give his opinion.

Foster, Mark

12 posted on 03/08/2005 7:04:07 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: em2vn

read the post about him associating with a member of the bar whenever he gave advice. You dont understand this so cool your jets on the criticism. You have fallen for the MSM left technique of distortion. They only hope to get people to accept their version of the facts.... without knowledge and without the true context. You have to assume that the nominee was utter fool to believe this trash. You believe this only because they put it in a paper.


13 posted on 03/08/2005 7:10:35 AM PST by ontos-on
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To: em2vn

bar membership has to be renewed each year. it isn't that he was practicing law without a license, as in, never taken the bar exam, never gone to law school etc. This is an administrative oversight, as ladylawyer has pointed out. You need current bar membership to litigate, meaning your name appears on pleadings, which is different from advising. this is not the huge deal that it is being made out to be.


14 posted on 03/08/2005 7:14:10 AM PST by xsmommy
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15 posted on 03/08/2005 7:35:48 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (I know that your keyboard has a SHIFT key. You know how to use it. USE IT OR DON'T GET READ!)
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I doubt very much that Utah has such a restrictive definition of the practice of law as the one you suggest. Practice of law is much more than appearing in court or having your name on pleadings. The General Counsel of a university, like the General Counsel of a corporation, is its chief legal officer and legal advisor. There may be some things a General Counsel does that fall outside the practice of law, but invariably those things constitute the exception, not the rule. I think the Bar Counsel was being quite generous to him in allowing him to "closely associate" while he got his bar status in order. The lapsing of the DC license was probably an honest mistake. It happens all the time, and it is no big deal. Practicing for four years without having bothered to become licensed in the state where you practice is in a whole other category. In some states (Connecticut for one), you can be prosecuted criminally for this.

We need the best men and women lawyers on our courts. I have to think we can do better than this fellow.

16 posted on 03/08/2005 7:42:48 AM PST by blau993 (Labs for love; .357 for Security.)
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To: MurryMom

This is only an issue because it is a conservative nominee and a Bush appointee.


17 posted on 03/08/2005 7:46:08 AM PST by Michael.SF. (Someday I will fondly look back on the day Hillary's career ended. Starting tomorrow, I hope.)
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To: MurryMom
In my book, this alone makes him immensely qualified.


18 posted on 03/08/2005 7:46:17 AM PST by Niteranger68 ("I am not a conservative because I am successful; I am successful because I am a conservative.")
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To: Michael.SF.

exactly. this guy should be crucified over a largely administrative error/oversight, but the bubbaloon actively PERJURED himself, but no biggie, his law license should have been left intact.


19 posted on 03/08/2005 7:48:14 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: Bahbah

fyi


20 posted on 03/08/2005 7:49:42 AM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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