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Russia Looks to Germany for Military Ties
Kommersant ^ | MARCH 04, 2005

Posted on 03/06/2005 11:34:34 AM PST by Grzegorz 246

Russia Looks to Germany for Military Ties

Russia and Germany are building up close military cooperation. Last week, Russia’s Defense Minister Sergey Ivanov and his German counterpart Peter Struck have agreed on combined maneuvers, railway transit to Afghanistan and canvassed plans to launch German military satellites by Russian rockets, RBC news agency says.

In the course of negotiations, the parties have agreed to hold combined maneuvers both in German and Russian territories. Germany got the go-ahead to widen its military transit. Russia had already sanctioned free transit of German planes delivering military cargo and manpower to Afghanistan. Now, the railway transit is also possible. Thus, the Germans may materially beef up their presence in Afghanistan in case of need.

Moreover, defense ministers went through the future cooperation in the rocket-and-space field, in particular, Ivanov and Struck considered the plans for launching German military satellites by using Russian missiles. Development of the European Anti-Ballistic Missile System was also in the limelight. To this effect, Russia intends to use already existing and well thought of technologies, “including antiaircraft missile system S-300 in different modification, besides, it will soon apply the S-400 Triumph. At the same time, this system is to be built up based on several components, and not only the Russia’s ones. It is important to tie all of them to the already available efficient technologies,” said Ivanov, adding regular Russia-NATO maneuvers on establishing the anti-ballistic missile system are slated for June of 2005.

The experts root such military closing-in movement of the two countries to the breach occurred between the United States and Germany in the course of the European tour of the U.S. President George W. Bush. Germany is evidently displeased with its failure to become a dominant force in the EU, despite its obvious leadership in economy. To achieve this purpose, the Germans need to boost their military potential. The analysts see obvious analogy with the 20s-30s years of the past century, when the Soviet Union had been providing raw and training personnel for Germany, humiliated by the Versailles Treaty. Then, Moscow had been counting on reinforced Berlin to balance London, as well as today Russia is looking to Germany to oppose the United States.

Besides, Russia and Germany may again start chumming up against Poland, which eyes not only the orange Ukraine and Moldova, but also Belarus. Such friendship may lead to the split-off of revived Rech Pospolitaya between Moscow and Berlin, the analysts say. “The situation is very much alike. We must remember that geopolitical games will end once. Then, they ended on June 22, 1941,” RBC quoted Dmitry Evstafiev, an expert at PIR-Center, as saying.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: evilempire; fourthreich; geopolitics; putin; russia
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To: A. Pole

yeah but that wont happen again, at least under that name, just because of the word Holy :)


21 posted on 03/06/2005 12:26:00 PM PST by MikefromOhio (The DUmmies: Showing us daily how screwed up people can really be!!!!)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Thanks for the post, Grzegorz.


22 posted on 03/06/2005 12:28:11 PM PST by Spirited (God, Bless America. No one else does.)
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To: americanbychoice2; AMDG&BVMH; An.American.Expatriate; a_Turk; austinTparty; BMCDA; Brian328i; ...
German ping.

longjack

24 posted on 03/06/2005 12:34:03 PM PST by longjack
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To: Grzegorz 246

Germany and Russia have had military ties since Katherine the Great. Where do you think Russian soldiers learned to goose step?


25 posted on 03/06/2005 12:36:19 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: HighFlier
"You guys are dreaming if you think Germany is ever going to be a world power again"

Agreed. Germany is chasing the proverbial rabbit into the hole of oblivion with their current administration guiding the country. What I want to know is why are they still even considered a world player. When we start moving are military out and they can no longer thrive under the security that our forces provided, their economy is going to be a wreck and a 12.4% unemployment rate will seem welcomed.
26 posted on 03/06/2005 1:12:24 PM PST by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Didn't they do this in the late '30s?


27 posted on 03/06/2005 1:22:19 PM PST by Beckwith (I knew Churchill, and Ward Churchill is no Churchill . . . he ain't no Indian either . . .)
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To: JudgemAll

Not surprising. Hitler and Stalin were allies before June of 1941. Soviet forces even participated in the invasion of Poland in 1939.


28 posted on 03/06/2005 1:22:55 PM PST by attiladhun2
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To: Grzegorz 246
Besides, Russia and Germany may again start chumming up against Poland, which eyes not only the orange Ukraine and Moldova, but also Belarus. Such friendship may lead to the split-off of revived Rech Pospolitaya between Moscow and Berlin, the analysts say. “The situation is very much alike. We must remember that geopolitical games will end once. Then, they ended on June 22, 1941,” RBC quoted Dmitry Evstafiev, an expert at PIR-Center, as saying.

Well, I must say that I’m shocked that they wrote about it so openly. Btw if North Korea can then what is the problem? :)
29 posted on 03/06/2005 1:47:09 PM PST by Lukasz (Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
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To: Lukasz

Don't worry, UFOs are on our side.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1310867/posts


30 posted on 03/06/2005 1:57:21 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Such comments are typical rather for internet forums and not for newspapers.


31 posted on 03/06/2005 2:52:06 PM PST by Lukasz (Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
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To: lt.america

You could have promoted yourself to "major."


32 posted on 03/06/2005 2:58:54 PM PST by HighFlier
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To: HighFlier

"You could have promoted yourself to "major."

I prefer the tactical level


33 posted on 03/06/2005 5:45:20 PM PST by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: lt.america

Germany will not be a major power again; agreed. At least not in the near future. And they won't rattle any sabers; the Russians aren't worried about that because the German saber-ratting gene was purged from the German gene pool on the road from Stalingrad to Berlin.

This is just a case of the Russkies wanting some western technology, just like the EU is selling to China. I'd rather think that Russia is keeping an eye over it's shoulder to the east rather than looking west.


34 posted on 03/07/2005 9:30:33 AM PST by henkster (When democrats talk of "the rich," they are referring to anyone with a private sector job.)
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To: JudgemAll

Actually not true, the one thing that can be said for Stalin is he cut the German training program in 1933 when Hitler came to power. Of course, by then it was to late.


35 posted on 03/07/2005 10:47:55 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: mamelukesabre
First, I doubt Belaruss would welcome them, all things considered. Second, with the EU unConstitution being passed and it's Loyalty Clause (part of the 300+ page document, I've posted extensive articles on it recently), all EU member states will speak with one Franco-Germanic voice. We'll be getting out soon, alright, out of all of Europe. We need to split up the EU-Rusia asap. We did for quite a while 2001-2004, until the Ukrainian elections. Since then the sleeze of the EU have squirmed in between again and made themselves "relevant".
36 posted on 03/07/2005 10:51:05 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Grzegorz 246
Well, the French and the German intellectualoids are always lecturing us about how they "remember" WWII, but I didn't realize they meant they remembered it happily...
37 posted on 03/07/2005 11:03:43 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: sanchez810

Eastern Europe has always been stuck between Empires: Russian, Swedish, Prussian, Austro-Hungarian, Turkish. At one point (1100-1600s) it was dominated by the Polish and then Polish-Lithuanian empire.


38 posted on 03/07/2005 1:00:02 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: ozzymandus
Which Germany? Austria, Prussia, Bavaria? Or the two dozen mini-states. Yes, when Catherine died, Russian soldiers had just conquered Berlin (west of Berlin-Potsdam is a historic village that was built for invalid Russian soldiers). Fortunately for Fredrick the Great--who at that point wasn't very-- her successor and son, Paul hated her so much and idolized Fredrick that he gave everything back to him and switched alliances against Austria. That was one of the things that led to his assassination and to his son, Alexander I attaining the throne.
39 posted on 03/07/2005 1:03:47 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: attiladhun2

They were allies but out of necessity. In 1937 Stalin went to Britian and France to form a new alliance to curtail Germany. When he was rebuffed by Chamberline and his ilk, he went to Germany to buy himself time to build up and attack them. Not excusing Stalin for his crimes and those are legion, but a lot of WW2 could have been avoided if France and England had had a spine.


40 posted on 03/07/2005 1:06:03 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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