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Navy to Sink USS America, Explosive Final Service That Saddens Former Crew
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Posted on 03/03/2005 3:02:55 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Navy to Sink USS America, Explosive Final Service That Saddens Former Crew By John J. Lumpkin Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Navy plans to send the retired carrier USS America to the bottom of the Atlantic in explosive tests this spring, an end that is difficult to swallow for some who served on board.

The Navy says the effort, which will cost $22 million, will provide valuable data for the next generation of aircraft carriers, which are now in development. No warship this size or larger has ever been sunk, so there is a dearth of hard information on how well a supercarrier can survive battle damage, said Pat Dolan, a spokeswoman for Naval Sea Systems Command.

The Navy's plan raises mixed emotions in Ed Pelletier, who served on the America as a helicopter crewman when the ship cruised the Mediterranean shortly after its commissioning in 1965.

He said he was "unhappy that a ship with that name is going to meet that fate, but happy she'll be going down still serving the country." Pelletier, of Poughkeepsie, N.Y., is a trustee of an association of veterans who served on the America.

Issues surrounding a vessel bearing the name of its country are often more sensitive than for other ships. In 1939, Adolf Hitler, fearful of a loss of morale among his people should Germany's namesake ship be sunk, ordered the pocket battleship Deutschland renamed for a long-dead Prussian commander.

Since its decommissioning in 1996, the America has been moored with dozens of other inactive warships at a Navy yard in Philadelphia. The Navy's plan is to tow it to sea on April 11 - possibly stopping at Norfolk, Va. - before heading to the deep ocean, 300 miles off the Atlantic coast, for the tests, Dolan said.

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1 posted on 03/03/2005 3:02:57 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: ducks1944; Ragtime Cowgirl; Alamo-Girl; TrueBeliever9; anniegetyourgun; maestro; TEXOKIE; ...
Navy to Sink USS America, Explosive Final Service That Saddens Former Crew By John J. Lumpkin Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Navy plans to send the retired carrier USS America to the bottom of the Atlantic in explosive tests this spring, an end that is difficult to swallow for some who served on board.

2 posted on 03/03/2005 3:06:13 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

Instead of using charges to simulate weapons, why not use the real items? I'm just asking.


3 posted on 03/03/2005 3:09:40 PM PST by brooklin
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To: Sub-Driver
VF-33, 1967-68
4 posted on 03/03/2005 3:11:13 PM PST by StACase
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To: brooklin

I'd guess they want precise postioning of the charges. So they get exactly the damage they want and extract as much information as possible.


5 posted on 03/03/2005 3:11:46 PM PST by Dinsdale
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To: Sub-Driver

Live TORPEX? That would be cool!


6 posted on 03/03/2005 3:14:23 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: Sub-Driver

I remember in elementary school in the 1940, they got the school children putting in their pennies, nickles and dimes to get the Battle Ship Texas saved from being salvaged.


7 posted on 03/03/2005 3:14:28 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rush agrees with me 98.5% of the time!)
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To: Calpernia

This is sad! One of our boys was on the America during the first Iraq war. My Husband was attached to the Forrestal and it is no longer in service.


8 posted on 03/03/2005 3:14:57 PM PST by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: Doohickey

Wonder how many ADCAP's it would take?


9 posted on 03/03/2005 3:16:11 PM PST by Sub-Driver (Unelect All NJ Politicians....)
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To: Sub-Driver

True, it is a sad end to a proud ship, but the breaker's yard would be just as sad.

If I were a former crew member I think I would rather a ship I loved be still out there somewhere in one piece (even on the bottom) rather than made into a million razor blades or whatever.


10 posted on 03/03/2005 3:16:32 PM PST by Gator101
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To: Sub-Driver

How about a 'Billy Mitchell' from space or a cruise missile.....a little respect shown!


11 posted on 03/03/2005 3:17:20 PM PST by maestro
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To: Sub-Driver

Why can't we give it to the Aussies? Heck it may be 50 years old but I'd bet it's one heck of alot better ship than the DeGaulle or the Foch.


12 posted on 03/03/2005 3:17:41 PM PST by GunnyHartman (Allah is allah outta virgins.)
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To: brooklin

one wouldnt want to have the real thing miss.

You also "correct" a stationary charge for the effect of the warhead moving (roughly mach 1) as it strikes the target.

I also think that they will be simulating Russian, French, and Chinese warheads.

This is an honorable end to a great ship. The USS Saratoga went to a similar fate, being used in the Bikini Atoll tests. After the Bikini atoll tests, a crew went back on board to test decontamination procedures. Brave guys!


13 posted on 03/03/2005 3:17:46 PM PST by donmeaker (Burn the UN flag publicly.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Yet another reason to move up the decommissioning of the JFK. Kennedy's sole Naval command, ended up on the bottom too.
14 posted on 03/03/2005 3:17:56 PM PST by kylaka
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To: mariabush

I don't understand why they would sink it.

Make it a museum!


15 posted on 03/03/2005 3:18:01 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

Two amidships ought to break her right in half (not that we ever spent any midwatches trying to figure that out or anything).


16 posted on 03/03/2005 3:20:32 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: Sub-Driver

Personally I think we should transfer all Islamofascist prisoners now in Gitmo to the USS America right before it is sunk. That should send a message that we arent playing games any longer.


17 posted on 03/03/2005 3:22:28 PM PST by JarheadFromFlorida (Ooorahhhh........Get Some! Semper Fi')
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To: Sub-Driver

Interesting. I hope we get some good data.


18 posted on 03/03/2005 3:22:50 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Calpernia

The problem with making it a museum ship is all the money that would take...especially for a ship this size.


19 posted on 03/03/2005 3:23:55 PM PST by Gator101
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To: Calpernia
I was TAD to America in the early seventies. It was not a pleasant atmosphere during my 3 months aboard. Morale was low, ship was dirty, very high AWOL count every time we pulled out for short cruises. Hopefully condidions improved, Captain Hagirtay (sp?) was CO but best I rememberthe XO was the disliked one.
20 posted on 03/03/2005 3:24:26 PM PST by dwilli
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