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Sinn Féin's US fundraising under threat
Financial Times ^
| February 28 2005
| Jimmy Burns
Posted on 02/27/2005 11:57:13 PM PST by Humblebum
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posted on
02/27/2005 11:57:13 PM PST
by
Humblebum
To: Humblebum; MadIvan
Further sanctions the US government could use against Sinn Féin include denying visas to the party's leaders - some of whom plan to attend a White House reception marking St Patrick's day next month - although government officials on both sides of the Atlantic fear that over-tough action risks undermining the peace process and would end any hopes of the IRA decommissioning its weaponsIts a terrorist group!!!!
Over-tough not to invite them to the White House??? Its a terrorist group!!!
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posted on
02/28/2005 12:11:12 AM PST
by
GeronL
(Condi will not be mistaken for a cleaning lady)
To: GeronL
I've lived for so long with the threat of bombs and bomb alerts in London. I've lived with reading the headlines about people being killed at the Baltic Exchange and other IRA bomb sites. This is justice - I hope Sinn Fein / IRA are strangled to death by the world's revulsion.
Regards, Ivan
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posted on
02/28/2005 12:13:24 AM PST
by
MadIvan
(One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
To: MadIvan
people being killed at the Baltic Exchange and other IRA bomb sitesbut apparently we'll be too tough on them if they don't get an invitation to the White House.
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posted on
02/28/2005 12:16:07 AM PST
by
GeronL
(Condi will not be mistaken for a cleaning lady)
To: Humblebum
When I was young and stupid, I believed that because I was Irish, Catholic, and from New England, I was obligated to support the IRA's goals (emotionally, not materially). I truly didn't understand who or what they were. All I knew was Britan was Bad, NI was good.
I now think that a rebellion is only functional if it works within a reasonable timeframe. Pot shots against innocent people, living within an entirely different century outside the source of the problem, is a stupid form of protest. No one is stopping these people from living thier lives in a nearly autonomous manner. The IRA must go away, forever.
I have to think about it in terms of the U.S. If we were invaded and occupied, I'm sure I would fight against the occupier. But after a few hundred years of it, I think I would hope my children would find some form of coexistence tollerable. At some point, you have to face defeat and work within the system you have.
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posted on
02/28/2005 12:35:29 AM PST
by
Greenpees
(Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
To: MadIvan
Hey I understand the British library is digitizing more than a million newspaper pages from 1800-1900, and it may be online sometime this year... but before they do that....
Is there a place online to find out how the British media dealt with the US civil war??
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posted on
02/28/2005 2:06:03 AM PST
by
GeronL
(Condi will not be mistaken for a cleaning lady)
To: Humblebum
Anti-Catholic Loyalist terror groups are every bit as bad.
Why is there no outrage at these other terror groups? They are all criminals.
To: Triggerhippie
Of course you are right, the loyalists are no better.
They however are not as organised, are not involved in large scale organised crime, do not export terror to other nations (Columbia) do not have extensive funding networks in the US and do not attack civilian targets away from Northen Ireland.
PS.
I PM'd you this reply in error, I clicked on the wrong link, please disregard this piece of finger trouble
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posted on
02/28/2005 2:48:29 AM PST
by
Axlrose
To: Humblebum
How can anyone not support an organization that looks to Cuba as a model way to run a country...
A letter of mine:
Somehow I do not believe that Michael Collins and the people who fought in the same cause wanted to replace a brutal, draconian and imposing outside government (the British) with a brutal, draconian and imposing inside government (an Irish marxist state).
I constantly read in An Phoblacht praise for the Cuban government and Gerry Adams loves the place (or to put it another way, I have NEVER read any criticism of the Cuban government despite their horrible treatment of political prisoners, the absolute iron control of the state of the speech/press and the complete lack of any kind of democratic process).
It also looks like the IRA was trying to exchange training for arms with the FARC (a narco-marxist-guerillas group). The FARC are some of the most brutal people on the planet and make their money selling drugs to American children. Are some allies really worth it?
A quick search of the interned:
From An Phoblacht (Jan 2002):
Despite all this, Cuba has the best health and education systems in all of Latin America, and among the best in the whole world, including the rich western economies. Education is free to all citizens right up to third level and primary class sizes have been reduced to 20 or less.
The health service is also free to all citizens and is of very high quality. Cuban doctors have pioneered new treatments for cancer and drug addiction and have served in many countries all over the world.
Adams defends Cuba visit Dec 16 2001 (The Birmingham Post)
(Direct quotes from Mr. Adams)
"The Cubans have reduced illiteracy almost to nil. They have arguably the best health service in the world, sending doctors and nurses around the globe - treating people from Chernobyl and other places which have fallen victim to nuclear fall out.
"The fact that people struggle despite all the difficulties, all the impoverished conditions and despite the hostility of the US Government can survive and help others, is a big lesson to everybody."
Adams's kind of country
The Daily Telegraph | December 18, 2001 | Editorial Staff
GERRY ADAMS was all smiles as he touched down in Havana yesterday. Waving two fingers at his American critics, he lavished praise on the Cuban system of government and its wonderful health service.
It was no surprise to see Mr Adams so at home in Latin America's only dictatorship. For Cuba is a fine model of how Ireland might look if, by some bizarre twist of events, Sinn Fein / IRA were ever to come to power there.
For 40 years, Fidel Castro has pursued an "ourselves alone" policy, distracting attention from the condition of his own island by attacking its larger neighbour.
Although he has the fanatical support of a minority, Mr Castro despises the democratic process and holds his legitimacy to derive, not from popular support, but from the sacrifice of a past generation of revolutionaries.
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posted on
02/28/2005 4:32:26 AM PST
by
2banana
(My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
To: Axlrose
They however are not as organised, are not involved in large scale organised crime, do not export terror to other nations (Columbia) do not have extensive funding networks in the US and do not attack civilian targets away from Northen Ireland. As a proponent for law and order I can't support terrorism of any kind, anywhere. The RUC and other loyalist groups do get funding from Great Britain. (Don't we send GB foriegn aid?) I'll probably get flamed for this one, but here goes... The SAS, rather than acting as a military force, has long been used in the six counties as a terror organization in its own right. They are definitely funded by GB.
England most certainly does attack civilian targets away from NI. They have for centuries.
I believe the only solution is to get effective law enforcement operating fairly for both sides. Haven't the majority always voted for an end to the violence?
To: Triggerhippie
No, the US does not send aid to the US. Why would it ? Where is the famine ? It does participate in joint military activities, if thats aid then the UK sends aid to the US as well.
The loyalist groups do not attack civilian targets away from NI.
The UK does engage in warfare during which civilians get killed. So does the US, and pretty much every other country in the world. What is your point ?
The RUC doesn't get funding from the UK. It doesn't exist. The Police Service of Northern Ireland does receive funding. Its the police. How would it exist, without funding ?
The SAS is part of the army. They on occasion have killed terrorists. My only regret is that they didn't kill more of them. Problem ? Try not to cry over your terrorists graves too much.
If you think that the UK having an army and police force in the UK justifies the IRA training columbian nacro-terrorists you are dellusional.
The UK hasn't done anything in NI that any other country wouldn't have for the last 100 years. It isn't doing anything different to what the US and UK is currently doing in Iraq. The supporters of the terrorists in Iraq justify their actions with the same logic you have used here.
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posted on
03/02/2005 4:17:45 AM PST
by
Axlrose
To: MadIvan
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posted on
03/02/2005 2:26:03 PM PST
by
Irish_Thatcherite
(Gerry Adams: They [the IRA] haven't gone away, you know.)
To: Happygal; Colosis; Black Line; Cucullain; SomeguyfromIreland; Youngblood; Fergal; Cian; col kurz; ..
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posted on
03/02/2005 2:27:49 PM PST
by
Irish_Thatcherite
(Gerry Adams: They [the IRA] haven't gone away, you know.)
To: Irish_Thatcherite; Happygal; Colosis; Black Line; Cucullain; SomeguyfromIreland; Youngblood; ...
2004 was the party's biggest year for fundraising in the US, with an estimated 130,000-144,000 collected from donors, traditional strongholds of support for the IRA and its political arm being New York, Chicago and San Francisco.What? Boston has to be on the top of anyone's list of US cities with numerous IRA supporters.
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posted on
03/02/2005 4:57:07 PM PST
by
aculeus
(Ceci n'est pas une tag line.)
To: Axlrose
Thanks for posting that nice clear explanation, it saved me the trouble of untangling all those mixed up thoughts of his.
To: aculeus; Irish_Thatcherite
I hear that the sisters of the man murdered by the RA last month will be invited to the white house, which will be a real kick in the teeth for Adams and co. The shinners are in meltdown mode right now and are snapping back at the media like petulant children.
Alex Maskey totally lost it when a reporter asked him if he would advise witnesses to go to the police with information - "have you not listened to a bloody word I have said" he barked and refused to give an answer. In desperation, the shinner line now is to emphasise that McCartney was "a catholic murdered in a catholic area" but fail to add that it was they who murdered him. Only scumbag shinners are thick enough to swallow that line.
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posted on
03/03/2005 2:21:06 AM PST
by
Colosis
(Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
To: Axlrose
The loyalist groups do not attack civilian targets away from NI. Oh please! Read up on the Dublin and Monaghan bombings and loyalist big-wig William Murphy whose gang hunted catholics and then tortured them with meat hooks and piano wire. You make them sound like Michael Moores minutemen.
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posted on
03/03/2005 2:25:37 AM PST
by
Colosis
(Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
To: GeronL; Irish_Thatcherite
That would be a fascinating perspective.
I know that during The Revolutionary War, the British press was pretty scathing in its assessment of King George, and the succession of incompetent prime ministers shuffled through his war cabinet.
And of course, there was always the inimitable satirist/writer Horace Walpole to jab at what he perceived as the folly of alleged statesmen.
It would be interesting to find out what their take was on the Civil War.
To: Do not dub me shapka broham
BTW- I found something at the Gutenburg Porject website that answers my questions, apparently it was written about 1908 or such... let me see if I can find a link
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posted on
03/03/2005 7:56:00 PM PST
by
GeronL
(Condi will not be mistaken for a cleaning lady)
To: Do not dub me shapka broham
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posted on
03/03/2005 8:01:13 PM PST
by
GeronL
(Condi will not be mistaken for a cleaning lady)
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