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Posted on 02/24/2005 6:27:01 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: robertpaulsen
The onus is on you to prove your fairy tale, not the other way around.
The tenth amendment says if the power isn't given specifically to the federal government, they don't have it.
You don't have a clue.
Have you ever used an illegal substance?
More crickets.
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posted on
02/24/2005 11:44:25 AM PST
by
Protagoras
(" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
To: Reaganwuzthebest
Conservatism and open bordersBush supports an amnesty for criminals who have entered illegally. He calls it something else, but it's an amnesty. It's very much like open borders.
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posted on
02/24/2005 11:47:09 AM PST
by
Protagoras
(" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
To: Protagoras
"The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then get elected and prove it."
--P.J. O'Rourke
To: Protagoras
Yes I know, Bush on immgration issues at least leans libertarian, very similar to the Wall St. Journal. It's also true the vast majority of conservatives, while supporting him overall disagree with his immigration policies.
To: robertpaulsen
The 18th amendment was not required, but the temperance reformers thought it would be harder to change. You're babbling again. The 18th Amendment could not possibly have any such effect, since it did not affirmatively require prohibition of alcohol. Absent such a requirement, Congress could end the war on alcohol via ordinary statute, just as they could if they had attempted to prohibit alcohol via ordinary statute in the first place.
Once the power was given to Congress via amendment, and it turned out to be a very bad idea, a new amendment was of course required to correct that mistake.
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posted on
02/24/2005 11:52:58 AM PST
by
steve-b
(A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
To: robertpaulsen
You are describing a pure democracy. Our government is not a democracy. Why are you using that tired analogy? It does not apply It still applies, even though there is a representative layer in the system. We vote to take away the freedom of others, or we pressure our representatives to do it. Same effect either way.
Things like murder, theft, assault -- those are all moral matters.
Those things involve infringing on the rights, freedoms and property of others. They are not moral issues.
To: robertpaulsen
You sell bridges, too? You're quite belligerent, aren't you? Is it possible to have a rational discussion with you, or you merely an Internet blowhard?
To: Happy2BMe
But 'conservativism' is undergoing an identity crisis now in the Republican Party You can say that again. It's getting hard to stay registered. In fact, it's probably only much undying disgust for the democrats that keeps me so.
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posted on
02/24/2005 11:58:06 AM PST
by
riri
To: robertpaulsen
Thomas Jefferson, as President, along with his Secretary of State, James Madison (who drafted the Constitution, and the commerce clause) used the Commerce Clause as their authority to restrict trade with Europe LOL! Obviously, that fell under the "foreign Nations" part of the Commerce Clause, and is irrelevant to the "among the several States" part.
You're reaching so far you make Mister Fantastic look like a marble statue.
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posted on
02/24/2005 11:58:12 AM PST
by
steve-b
(A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
To: antiRepublicrat
The Republicans are the party that says government should pay for a rich grandpa's Viagra.
They are the party that is led by men who used drugs, but still advocate that others be locked up for doing the same things they did.
And all these people can do is excoriate a party which they claim is so insignificant that it doesn't matter a bit, while ignoring the problems in their own party.
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posted on
02/24/2005 11:59:00 AM PST
by
Protagoras
(" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
To: robertpaulsen
But, but, but, robertpaulsen, I know many people who use drugs responsibly -- just to relax.
Yeah, right. People go through extraordinary measures to get their drug of choice, paying a premium inflated price in most cases, risking arrest, publicity, loss of their vehicle, home, job, family, and friends -- and they do this "just to relax, that's all".Circular Reasoning: See "Reasoning, Circular"
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posted on
02/24/2005 12:01:27 PM PST
by
steve-b
(A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
To: Happy2BMe
To: Reaganwuzthebest
It's also true the vast majority of conservatives, while supporting him overall disagree with his immigration policies.But they agree with the biggest expansion of an entitlement program since LBJ? They agree with his signing the repeal of the first amendment? They agree with his declaration on 7-23-04 that " I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"?
Is that what "conservatives" believe?
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posted on
02/24/2005 12:02:51 PM PST
by
Protagoras
(" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
To: robertpaulsen
So when the 21st amendment repealed Prohibition, the power went back to the states, right? The Twenty-First amendment expressly granted a federal power to assist in the enforcement of state prohibition. Yet more proof that the federal government had hitherto had no such power.
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posted on
02/24/2005 12:03:27 PM PST
by
steve-b
(A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
To: 54-46 Was My Number
Is it possible to have a rational discussion with you, or you merely an Internet blowhard?hmmmmmmmmmm,,,inquiring minds want to know......
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posted on
02/24/2005 12:08:25 PM PST
by
Protagoras
(" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
To: Dead Corpse
No. Dems want on demand abortion. No questions asked. "l"ibertarians, like Ron Paul, were pushing for legislation qualifying an embryo as a human being. This would make it murder to terminate a pregnancy.
Until a strong, pro-life plank is added to the Libertarian platform, they will NEVER get my vote. Is that so hard to understand?
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posted on
02/24/2005 12:09:25 PM PST
by
Antoninus
(In hoc signo, vinces †)
To: riri
In fact, it's probably only much undying disgust for the democrats that keeps me so. The unifying principle of the Republican party has finally been articulated.
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posted on
02/24/2005 12:10:46 PM PST
by
Protagoras
(" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
To: Protagoras
I'm not debating where Libertarians stand on every issue, personally there's quite a few I agree with them on, particularly gun rights. Free movement across borders however is not one of them and is the most important reason I cannot get behind the Libertarian party.
To: Reaganwuzthebest
I'm not a member of that party either.
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posted on
02/24/2005 12:12:59 PM PST
by
Protagoras
(" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
To: Antoninus
Isn't over turning Roe V Wade a big part of that though? Even the GOP isn't touching that particular Third Rail.
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posted on
02/24/2005 12:14:41 PM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(The neighborhood is pretty dead at night, and I'm the one to blame....)
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