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Libertarians Seeking 'True Conservatives'
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Posted on 02/24/2005 6:27:01 AM PST by Happy2BMe

Libertarians Seeking 'True Conservatives'

By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
February 24, 2005

(CNSNews.com) -- The Libertarian Party says its representatives were "very well received" by conservatives at a recent conference in Washington.

"We met a lot of people who are either supportive of our ideas or who simply support having an alternative to the big-government ideal put forward by the Republicans and Democrats," said Sam New, who organized the Libertarian Party's activities at the Conservative Political Action Committee Conference in Washington.

The Libertarian Party was a first-time cosponsor of the Feb. 17-19 CPAC Conference, and its involvement was a "big step forward" for the Party, said Executive Director Joe Seehusen in a report on the group's website.

"Our profile has been low for some time, and we were able to showcase our party in a positive light to many people and groups, including a large number of students and small business owners."

Seehusen, who considers President George W. Bush a socialist, said the Libertarians' support for limited government and appreciation for individual rights strikes a cord with many people who call themselves Republicans or conservatives.

"Many of them stopped by our booth to learn more," which is exactly why the Libertarians decided to take part in CPAC this year, he said.

The Libertarians believe they can appeal to "true conservatives" (as opposed to "big-government neo-conservatives") on a number of issues.

"By taking part in this CPAC conference, we hope to show that Libertarians are the true fiscal conservatives -- much more so than the Republicans are," Seehusen said on the Libertarian website.

He said the party is studying how successful groups market themselves, so the Libertarian Party "can more effectively reach out to conservatives" in the future.


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KEYWORDS: conservative; conservativism; cpac; libertarian; lp; republican
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The Libertarians are free to believe any way they want - its a free country.

I will never vote on their ticket. I have voted Republican for nearly 35 years, and that is the only ticket I have ever voted on..

But 'conservativism' is undergoing an identity crisis now in the Republican Party.

1 posted on 02/24/2005 6:27:03 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: Happy2BMe
The Libertarians believe they can appeal to "true conservatives" (as opposed to "big-government neo-conservatives") on a number of issues.

They are right- but I don't think the Libertarian party can win national elections anytime soon.

They need to infiltrate the Republican party and move it farther right, and they need to learn how to play politics.

2 posted on 02/24/2005 6:36:12 AM PST by jsmith48 (www.isupatriot.com)
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To: Happy2BMe

As long as they want felons to vote and legalizing recreational drugs in this country, they can sure as hell count me out.


3 posted on 02/24/2005 6:39:59 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: Happy2BMe

Conservatism in the Republican party died with Ronald Reagan.

R.I.P.


4 posted on 02/24/2005 6:40:57 AM PST by Capitalism2003
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To: Happy2BMe

The Libertarians are on the mark on most fiscal issues, way off on foreign policy, and sometimes right, sometimes wrong on social issues. The problem is this-most Republicans I know are more libertarian than they realize, but think that most Libertarian party candidates are nuts.

Give me Reaganite conservatism any day of the week.


5 posted on 02/24/2005 6:42:04 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: Happy2BMe

True moral-liberals looking for true conservatives.


6 posted on 02/24/2005 6:42:34 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Happy2BMe
said the Libertarians' support for limited government and appreciation for individual rights strikes a cord with many people who call themselves Republicans or conservatives.

Sure does with this life-long republican.

7 posted on 02/24/2005 6:43:18 AM PST by JPJones (First and foremost: I'm a Freeper.)
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To: Capitalism2003

How true. I think that the Republicans will split into the old Zell Miller DixieCrats, and conservatives.


8 posted on 02/24/2005 6:44:22 AM PST by Yancey (Yancey)
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To: Happy2BMe
I have always wished the Libertarian Party would decide not to run National party candidates and instead "endorse" either the Republican or Democratic party candidate. Building a viable party requires success at the local level first.
9 posted on 02/24/2005 6:44:30 AM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: conservativecorner

A lot of folks, including conservatives, want another look at the drug war.


10 posted on 02/24/2005 6:45:48 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: conservativecorner

I don't get this thing about felons. Why shouldn't a felon vote if/when they have completed their sentence and done something to prove that they are no longer a criminal threat? Now, before you pull out the flame thrower, hear me out.

I am not saying a 2-time convicted child rapist should be voting. I am talking about people (and there are many) who, a decade or so ago, did something stupid and have now changed their lives. I think those people should be allowed to vote. What about this example:

Take someone who was involved in a bar brawl in the early 90s and was charged and convicted of felonius assault. They did their time, then after prison started a business and a family. This person is now a good "model citizen" and still can't vote.


11 posted on 02/24/2005 6:46:53 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: jsmith48
They need to infiltrate the Republican party and move it farther right, and they need to learn how to play politics.

I think that's the mission of the Republican Liberty Caucus.

12 posted on 02/24/2005 6:47:00 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: conservativecorner

"As long as they want felons to vote and legalizing recreational drugs in this country, they can sure as hell count me out."

That makes you a big government supporter. The "war on drugs" has eroded the 4th Amendment, lead to rampant government spending, and limits personal liberty. Moreover, the black market in drugs leads to a spike in real crime associated with that market. If people want to get high, just let them. Do you want to ban alcohol next? Alcohol is a recreational drug, so I guess you want to interfere with my 23rd Amendment rights? You are anti-constitution!

My guess is you lack sufficient faith in yourself to not do drugs, so you want the government to play daddy.


13 posted on 02/24/2005 6:48:11 AM PST by New Orleans Slim
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To: RockinRight

I agree. If they've completed their sentence, then their debt to society is paid and their rights should be re-instated.


14 posted on 02/24/2005 6:48:50 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: Katya
Building a viable party requires success at the local level first.

That's where they concentrate now. I think the national candidates are just for name recognition.

15 posted on 02/24/2005 6:48:54 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Happy2BMe

"As long as they [libertarians]want felons to vote and legalizing recreational drugs in this country, they can sure as hell count me out."

They also want to legalized porn & prostitution to have open borders, and believe that greed is good.

Libertarianism would spell the death of the Republic. With them, no real social cohesion is possible.


16 posted on 02/24/2005 6:49:24 AM PST by Pittsburg Phil
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To: Happy2BMe

I used to have libertarian leanings. The Libertarian Party is isolationist, wants totally open borders with Mexico, and has no philosophy that shares my cultural values. I have no use for them.


17 posted on 02/24/2005 6:50:12 AM PST by doug from upland (Ray Charles --- a great musician and safer driver than Ted Kennedy)
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To: Pittsburg Phil

I don't think those things should be legal.

HOWEVER-those should be STATE issues, not FEDERAL.


18 posted on 02/24/2005 6:50:53 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

Part of that debt paid to society can be the loss of rights. It is perfectly valid for the people of a society to mandate the avoidance of another individual, or a weapon, or any number of things.


19 posted on 02/24/2005 6:52:54 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: RockinRight
The Libertarians are on the mark on most fiscal issues, way off on foreign policy, and sometimes right, sometimes wrong on social issues. The problem is this-most Republicans I know are more libertarian than they realize, but think that most Libertarian party candidates are nuts.

I don't think the Libertarians would be very good running the country either. Here's my dream scenario right now: We elect quite a few Libertarians state and federal levels, not enough to sieze power and implement their crazier ideas, but enough to be able to stop the current government expansion and abuses.

For example, you know we wouldn't be seeing these eminent domain abuses currently in front of SCOTUS if the Libertarians had any significant representation. I certainly don't see the Republicans or Democrats doing anything for these people.

20 posted on 02/24/2005 6:55:04 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Happy2BMe

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21 posted on 02/24/2005 6:55:23 AM PST by commonerX
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To: antiRepublicrat

Sounds sensible. Won't happen though. The only way to get any libertarian ideas in place is to elect Republicans (or even Dems) that have libertarian beliefs (like Ron Paul).


22 posted on 02/24/2005 6:57:09 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: Pittsburg Phil
Libertarianism would spell the death of the Republic.

Completly untrue. Libertarians simply believe that forcing others to believe as they do through coersion is wrong.

The State does not exist to provide you with a giant gun to point at people whose behavior/tastes you don't like. Its only purpose is to protect individual rights- remember "free will"? That's where virtue comes from, and virtue is what made this Republic great.

23 posted on 02/24/2005 6:58:21 AM PST by jsmith48 (www.isupatriot.com)
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To: RockinRight
Take someone who was involved in a bar brawl in the early 90s and was charged and convicted of felonius assault. They did their time, then after prison started a business and a family. This person is now a good "model citizen" and still can't vote.

The law varies between the states, but I believe some states implement your model. A felon who's served his time can re-apply for suffrage, with those such as your example being granted it. I like this system.

24 posted on 02/24/2005 6:58:39 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Cultural Jihad

"True moral-liberals looking for true conservatives."

Yeah, whatever. Most small 'l' libertarians such as myself who usually to vote Republican (I live in Manhattan, so I often have the luxury of a protest vote), think government should stay the hell out of the morals business. And out of the business business. Nothing turns me off more than a Republican telling me how to live my life - that's the job of Democrats and other lefties.

True conservatism is about getting the government off our backs and keeping it off. I trust the marketplace. And that includes morality. People need to learn to be moral by acting moral - and not depending on the government to enforce morality. And if you can't convince people to adopt your morality without using the government to shove it down my throat, then suck it up. In that case you lost in the marketplace of ideas, and it is not the job of the government to prop up marketplace losers. That, my friend, is called communism.


25 posted on 02/24/2005 6:58:55 AM PST by New Orleans Slim
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To: jsmith48

"Completly untrue. Libertarians simply believe that forcing others to believe as they do through coersion is wrong.

The State does not exist to provide you with a giant gun to point at people whose behavior/tastes you don't like."

Hear, hear!


26 posted on 02/24/2005 7:00:05 AM PST by New Orleans Slim
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To: Cultural Jihad
It is perfectly valid for the people of a society to mandate the avoidance of another individual, or a weapon, or any number of things

That it can be just as valid to restore rights to certain individuals.
27 posted on 02/24/2005 7:00:45 AM PST by Bear_Slayer
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To: Happy2BMe

Their fiscal conservatism was certainly demonstrated in their behavior in the Ohio and New Mexico elections.


28 posted on 02/24/2005 7:01:04 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: New Orleans Slim

Alright. Works for me.


29 posted on 02/24/2005 7:01:24 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: RockinRight
"and sometimes right, sometimes wrong on social issues."

Libertarians oppose social programs, true. But on the social issues, they're way to the left of the liberals.

Libertarians want the government out of abortion, drugs, suicide, prostitution, pornography, and gambling, favor gay rights, and believe that "children always have the right to establish their maturity by assuming administration and protection of their own rights, ending dependency upon their parents or other guardians, and assuming all responsibilities of adulthood."

(ie., if a 13-year-old girl goes out on her own, supporting herself by prostitution or pornography, she's an adult.)

OK, all you conservatives out there! Let's hold hands with the Libertarians.

30 posted on 02/24/2005 7:01:47 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: RockinRight
Sounds sensible. Won't happen though. The only way to get any libertarian ideas in place is to elect Republicans (or even Dems) that have libertarian beliefs (like Ron Paul).

I know, it's sad. The Republicrats have erected too many barriers for third-party participation in the political process. The problem with someone like Ron Paul is that at some point the party leadership will force him to vote against his conscience and for big government. Like George Washington said, parties are self-serving.

31 posted on 02/24/2005 7:01:49 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: robertpaulsen

I am not saying legalize those things. What I am saying, however, is that the Founding Fathers intended all those things to be State issues since they aren't specific powers given in the Constitution to the Federal gov't.


32 posted on 02/24/2005 7:03:13 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: RockinRight
Why shouldn't a felon vote if/when they have completed their sentence and done something to prove that they are no longer a criminal threat?

Fair point, but a decade is not enough. They need to repeat the vote qualifier of maintaining a body temperature of 37°C for a period of 18 years.

33 posted on 02/24/2005 7:04:06 AM PST by Oztrich Boy ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free")
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To: Pittsburg Phil
believe that greed is good

Greed IS good. What on earth are you doing in FR (instead of DU) if you have a problem with people getting rich?

34 posted on 02/24/2005 7:04:24 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Happy2BMe; sinkspur
This, or a similar story, was posted last night. From what I read, it was getting pretty heated between some posters.

The only name I recall was sinkspur, so I guess a "PING!" is called for (since I'm mentioning him).

35 posted on 02/24/2005 7:04:30 AM PST by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: Capitalism2003
Conservatism in the Republican party died with Ronald Reagan.

You have to hand it to President Reagan though. He gave it his best shot. It didn’t take. Sad.

36 posted on 02/24/2005 7:05:44 AM PST by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: robertpaulsen
Libertarians want the government out...

Good (if you're the sort of person who belongs here rather than amongst the government-worshippers of DU).

37 posted on 02/24/2005 7:06:45 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: antiRepublicrat

"For example, you know we wouldn't be seeing these eminent domain abuses currently in front of SCOTUS if the Libertarians had any significant representation. I certainly don't see the Republicans or Democrats doing anything for these people."

Right. And it is worth noting that the White House was set to file a brief supporting the right of the city to use eminent domain. This is like the brief the White House filed in the Michigan affirmative action cases that supported affirmative action in principle. WTF!? Nothing galls me more than when Republicans get behind leftist causes. Eminent domain is communism pure and simple, and then we find Republicans about to go along? Thankfully, the

White House came to its senses and did not file the brief. But the fact that they even considered it, let alone worked on it, is cause for disturbance. Right now, Reagan is spinning in his grave so fast, we could hook up electrodes and power New York for free.


38 posted on 02/24/2005 7:07:06 AM PST by New Orleans Slim
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To: New Orleans Slim
"That makes you a big government supporter. My guess is you lack sufficient faith in yourself to not do drugs, so you want the government to play daddy."

That makes you a kook. Disagreements on drug policy are expected. But immediately flailing into such exaggerations and personal accusations with so little evidence is absurd. It’s a sign of immaturity at best or perhaps emotional problems. Either way, it’s counter productive to promoting your beliefs.

39 posted on 02/24/2005 7:08:13 AM PST by elfman2
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To: RockinRight
You don't need legalization of drugs to actually get them. They are available already. I don't want the use of illicit drugs to become an acceptable part of our society. The Europeans ,especially Denmark, have had a bad experience with legalized drugs in their society, and they are reexamining those policies.
40 posted on 02/24/2005 7:08:33 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: Happy2BMe
Found the other thread under keyword "CPAC". Here it is...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1348836/posts

41 posted on 02/24/2005 7:10:35 AM PST by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: Happy2BMe

Show me a "true conservative" who can support abortion on demand or dissolving of the nations borders and I'll show you a liar. Two of the main reasons I could not vote for the Libertarian platform.


42 posted on 02/24/2005 7:11:04 AM PST by Romish_Papist (Hannity nutshell: "Buy my book, eat @ Ruth's Chris Steakhouse, repeat ad nauseum...)
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

I’ll agree to allowing felons to vote when government welfare is abolished. Until then, if the left is going to game the system to drain me, I support draining them of 20 million voters.


43 posted on 02/24/2005 7:13:18 AM PST by elfman2
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To: RockinRight
Who decides who gets to vote, and remember how every govt. program will ultimately cover everyone for fairness sake even though that's not what we were originally promised. You will have EVERY felon voting before this is finished.
44 posted on 02/24/2005 7:13:25 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: RockinRight
...but think that most Libertarian party candidates are nuts.

You got that right. Excellent post BTW. We need to support more RLC candidates. See if we can't throw our support behind real conservatives within the GOP. It is rather embarassing that a Democrat, Zell Miller, is further Right poltiically than half of those currently in the GOP.

45 posted on 02/24/2005 7:14:34 AM PST by Dead Corpse (The neighborhood is pretty dead at night, and I'm the one to blame....)
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To: RockinRight
"Give me Reaganite conservatism any day of the week."

=====================================

I'll take a truck load. Where can I find it?

46 posted on 02/24/2005 7:16:20 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem.)
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To: New Orleans Slim
Right. And it is worth noting that the White House was set to file a brief supporting the right of the city to use eminent domain.

I didn't know that. It's downright scary. Now we know Bush hasn't changed his ways, that the administration supports land grabs and abolishment of property rights, but they're just too chicken to say it outright.

Okay, that's it, give me Reagan back, even with his faults a better president than his three successors.

47 posted on 02/24/2005 7:16:48 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: jsmith48
"That's where virtue comes from, and virtue is what made this Republic great."

I agree.

But what are we to do when virtue goes away -- when people define for themselves what is right and what is wrong? Do we stand by and watch the Republic die, in order for a minority of selfish, self-centered, immoral, hedonistic adults to have their way?

Or does the majority draw a line in the sand over which we, as a society, will not cross?

John Adams stated, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people, and is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." The re-institution of virtue into our society will make moot the plethora of laws that have arisen to counter the movement towards immorality.

48 posted on 02/24/2005 7:17:17 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: TattooedUSAFConservative
Abortion on demand? That's a new one on me. Last I heard, the LP's official position was that Roe V Wade needed to be overturned and that medical proceedures where strictly between the woman and her doctor. Each State should, like murder charges, set its own statutes for aborting a baby.

Also, get rid of welfare, handouts, and restore the second amendment to what it is supposed to be, we wouldn't HAVE a border problem. Although, so far President Bush is a dismal failure at securing our border during a "Terror War".

49 posted on 02/24/2005 7:19:15 AM PST by Dead Corpse (The neighborhood is pretty dead at night, and I'm the one to blame....)
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To: airborne

Link does not work. Typing in keyword "WORKINGLINK" does.


50 posted on 02/24/2005 7:19:51 AM PST by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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