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Per FNC, Canadian PM ordering party line vote to approve homosexual marriage.
Fox News Channel from broadcast | 2/18/2004 | FNC

Posted on 02/18/2005 12:52:10 PM PST by longtermmemmory

Fox new just reported that the Canadian Prime Minister is NOT going to allow liberal party members a free vote. This, in parlementary forms of goverment, menas that other liberal party members may not break rank and vote their concience. It their system, unless a free vote is allowed, the party members HAVE to tow the party line. A free vote WAS promised...

Fox is reporting that there are now enough votes to allow for marriage based on recreational sex of two adults alone. They will ATTEMPT to limit marriage to two "people".

The FNC story is also corrected from a PRIOR mistake they made. They MISREPORTED that this will not affect the USA. It does because a US citizen is permitted to obtain a spousal visa based on a foreign marriage. The 1996 DOMA precludes this but it ALREADY under attack in federal courts based on denial of a visa.


TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amendment; canada; children; federal; fma; gaystapo; homsoexualagenda; kanaduh; marriage; marrige; samesexmarriage
I found it really interesting that FNC would so BLATANTLY botch the recognition aspects of the law. Mass may allow canadian sex based marriage for its OWN insurance and state benefits but FEDERAL benefits are still not allowed. Federal law even prohibits homosexual marriages from filing joing returns on federal taxes.

Why would fox make such a sloppy mistake unless somebody wants homosexual marriage in the USA in their research department (do reporters have researchers?)

1 posted on 02/18/2005 12:52:16 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: EdReform; DirtyHarryY2K; scripter

ping


2 posted on 02/18/2005 12:54:25 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Not allowing people to vote whichever way they feel? And Canada calls itself a democracy?


3 posted on 02/18/2005 12:57:00 PM PST by wk4bush2004
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To: longtermmemmory

Really?

As I understand it, and as it has been reported in Canada for months, Paul Martin was only imposing a "two-line whip".

That means that the cabinet would have to vote for the legislation, but that the Liberal backbenchers were free to vote against it.

If he's changed his position on this, then he must have been expecting to lose the vote (at least 1/3 of the Liberal backbenchers are on record as opposing SSM).


4 posted on 02/18/2005 12:57:32 PM PST by Loyalist (Please visit this fine Catholic lady's blog: fiatmihi.blogspot.com)
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To: longtermmemmory
two people alone

That thin line won't hold long.

Polygamy is coming soon, folks--along with group marriage. Then the age of consent will start to drop and things will start to get really ugly.

In this area the leading Gay Marriage proponents call themselves "Love Makes A Family". Presumably that includes the family dog, cat, parakeet, and houseplants, I guess.

When you open Pandora's box all kinds of stuff pops out...:-(
5 posted on 02/18/2005 12:59:23 PM PST by cgbg (How evil is Hillary? Let me count the ways...)
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To: Loyalist

That is what I am seeing.

He was ok with an open vote as long as he thought he could strongarm a win. Now that it is apparent he would loose, he is pulling the promise of an open vote.

Typical left. (he must have hired Saddams election coordinator)


6 posted on 02/18/2005 12:59:54 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: cgbg

I don't like any of it, but frankly, polygamy is not as morally offensive as "gay" marriage.

Abraham, David, Solomon...they were polygamous.
Not saying "That's good!"
But I am saying that it does not stand in the same place as Sodom and Gemorrah.

And actually, if we think about it, polygamy is normal among almost a billion people in the world. This is not some sort of freak show out of nowhere. Gay marriage is.

How curious, then, that advocates of libertinism are so willing to fight to the death for same sex marriage, but unwilling to entertain a concept of RELIGIOUS tolerance (towards Middle Eastern Muslims and old-line Mormons) for polygamy.

The best answer is: none of the above.
But if you've GOTTA have some strange marriage law, it would seem to me that polygamy has more rationality, religion and history behind it than gay marriage, which is nothing but a strange modern political confection aimed at getting benefits and compelling recognition.


7 posted on 02/18/2005 1:20:35 PM PST by Vicomte13 (La nuit s'acheve!)
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To: longtermmemmory
So much for Prime Minister Paul Martin's promise to help erase Canada's "democratic deficit." My guess is he knew a number of Liberals would certainly cross the House in a free vote and ensure the passage of the Conservative Party's version of C-38 that does NOT make same sex marriage the law of the land. Liberals who don't agree with the PM's position will now be forced to choose between their party loyalty and their conscience on a divisive issue. If the only way the Liberal Government can pass C-38 is by coercing its members to vote as the party commands, it knows its position couldn't win in the House on the merits.

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

8 posted on 02/18/2005 1:28:20 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Vicomte13

Polygamy is less radical than homosexual marriage because it is based on the complementary nature of the sexes, just as monogamy is. Polygamy is not group marriage. Several people of one sex are each married to one person of the opposite sex.

If marriage is redefined to include homosexual couplings, I see no logical reason to continue to outlaw polygamy.


9 posted on 02/18/2005 1:31:31 PM PST by ScottFromSpokane (http://drunkengop.blogspot.com/)
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To: Vicomte13
polygamy not as bad as gay marriage

Actually I agree with you.

It irritates me no end that Utah had to abolish polygamy to join the Union and now the liberals are rushing headlong into changing the definition of marriage.

If they must insist on that wacko course they should at least have the decency to apologize to the state of Utah and seek to reinstate polygamy as legal.
10 posted on 02/18/2005 1:39:02 PM PST by cgbg (How evil is Hillary? Let me count the ways...)
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To: ScottFromSpokane; Vicomte13

both of you are dancing around a single point.

Homosexual marriage is ONLY about recreational sex between adults. It is removing children from marraige and turning marrige into an adult only activity.

This is what the ABA model divorce code seeks to do. (I wonder if Sandra DAy, will now look to canadian law for marriage rules)

Society rewards the insititution not the individual. I do not agree with legalizing polygamy but I do see your points IF it is argued in the context of a society maximizing the production of future natural born citizens.


11 posted on 02/18/2005 1:47:53 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

It is not my intent to argue that polygamy should be legalized.


12 posted on 02/18/2005 1:49:16 PM PST by ScottFromSpokane (http://drunkengop.blogspot.com/)
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To: longtermmemmory

Please post links that state that Paul Marting will not allow free votes in Parliament. I don't believe that this story is accurate.


13 posted on 02/18/2005 1:56:51 PM PST by canadianally
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To: Vicomte13

Sorry, the left won't care about polygamy, but they are all for polyamory, so that groups of people of any sex can marry. That is the logical result of the abandonment of the traditional definition of marriage.


14 posted on 02/18/2005 2:13:03 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping.

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15 posted on 02/18/2005 5:04:42 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Will it be illegal in this brave new world of ours for a man to marry his son?

Also, it is currently not legal for a brother to marry his sister, but is it still illegal for them to shack up as boyfriend and girlfriend?

How about shacking up with pets?


16 posted on 02/18/2005 8:52:36 PM PST by Vicomte13 (La nuit s'acheve!)
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To: ScottFromSpokane; Vicomte13
"Polygamy is less radical than homosexual marriage"

Pretty tough to apply a rating at the best of times but if I really attempted to, I think I would argue the other way.


17 posted on 02/18/2005 11:47:02 PM PST by drtom
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To: ScottFromSpokane; Vicomte13

"Polygamy is less radical than homosexual marriage"

Pretty tough to apply a rating at the best of times but if I really attempted to, I think I would argue the other way.


Gay marriage preserves the definition of "spouse" (one single lifetime partner) while polygamy does not.
Gay marriage allows for clearly defined marital environments while polygamy does not. Read: an adoption agency background-checking the family environment has a very distinct set of candidacy. In the case of polygamy - "well, I know he's a nutcase but he's not really the child's direct elder. He's sort of twice-removed..."
Polygamy promotes social blur. It is much more likely that you do your father's sister's cousin's auntie's daughter in a polygamic environment than in an arena that's gay/lesbian yet committed to a single lifetime partner.


18 posted on 02/18/2005 11:49:52 PM PST by drtom
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