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To: MineralMan

I believe the image in post #2 is from the Haghia Sofia in Istanbul (formerly Constantinople) which used to be the capital of the Eastern Roman Empire. Haghia Sofia was the HQ for the Eastern Orthodox Church for centuries. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. There were similar mosaics I saw in another church in Istanbul called the Khora church? Anyway, it was 16 years ago and I wasn't paying much attention to churches when I was 19 and in the Army.


13 posted on 02/12/2005 12:18:09 PM PST by Tailback
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To: Tailback

You are correct.


16 posted on 02/12/2005 12:20:34 PM PST by BMC1
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To: Tailback
I believe the image in post #2 is from the Haghia Sofia in Istanbul

You are correct!

19 posted on 02/12/2005 12:25:11 PM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: Tailback; MineralMan; Richard Kimball
You may find this interesting.

Pictures of Jesus from the Shroud of Turin?

Picture of Jesus, Christ Pantocrator, St Catherine's Sinai, 6th CenturyThere are no descriptions of Jesus' appearance in the New Testament. Nor are there any reputable descriptions in any known early Church sources. St. Augustine of Hippo made a point of this when he wrote his monumental works in the fifth century. Yet, starting in the sixth century a new picture, a new common appearance for Jesus emerged in eastern art. We see it today in all manner of pictures of Jesus: icons, paintings, mosaics and Byzantine coins. This common picture quality seems to have started in the Middle East about the same time that the Image of Edessa was discovered. Prior to this time, pictures of Jesus were mostly of a young, beardless man, often with short hair, often in story-like settings in which he was depicted as a shepherd.

Why No One Can Fully Explain the Pictures on the Shroud of Turin

Abruptly, throughout the Middle East, and eventually throughout eastern Mediterranean Europe, pictures of Jesus became full frontal portraits with distinctive facial characteristics. Jesus now had shoulder length hair, an elongated thin nose, and a forked beard. Numerous other characteristics appeared in these pictures, and some of them were seemingly strange and of no particular artistic merit. Many portraits had two wisps of hair that dropped at an angle from a central parting of the hair. Many pictures showed Jesus with large "owlish" eyes. Paul Vignon, a French scholar, who first categorized these facial attributes in 1930, also described a square cornered U shape between the eyebrows, a downward pointing triangle on the bridge of the nose, a raised right eyebrow, accents on both cheeks with the accent on the right cheek being somewhat lower, an enlarged left nostril, an accent line below the nose, a gap in the beard below the lower lip, and hair on one side of the head that was shorter than on the other side.

Jennifer Speake who wrote a chapter, "Jesus in Art," in J. R. Porter's Jesus Christ: the Jesus of History, the Christ of Faith, observed:

Famous relics that claim to bear the true imprint of Christ's features include the controversial Shroud of Turin and the Holy Mandylion of Edessa; the iconography of both of these promoted the now conventional image of Jesus as a bearded man.


Keep in mind that many historians consider that the Shroud of Turin and the Holy Mandylion of Edessa to be one in the same. And keep in mind, too, that this iconography started some six centuries before the carbon-14-determined date for the Shroud.

Now with modern image analysis  we can clearly see that the pictures of Jesus in numerous works of art are most probably sourced from a single image; the Shroud of Turin. Some most notable and telling portraits include:

bullet Christ Pantocrator, an icon at St. Catherine's Monastery in the Sinai (550 C.E.)

bullet Byzantine Justinian II solidus, a coin (695)

bullet Icon of Christ at St. Ambrose, (now in Milan) (700s)

bullet Christ Enthroned, a mosaic in the narthex of Hagia Sophia Cathedral (850 - 900)

bullet Christ Pantocrator, a dome mosaic in a church in Daphni (1050 - 1100)

bullet Christ the Merciful, a mosaic icon now in a Berlin museum (1000s)

bullet Christ Pantocrator, an apse mosaic in Cefalu Cathedral, Sicily (1148)

The Chrysanthemum image found on the Shroud is particularly significant. What makes this so is not just the prominence and clarity of the image on the Shroud, but the fact that this flower is depicted accurately, as to its likeness and relationship to the face, on some early icons and coins. This includes the Pantocrator icon at St. Catherine's Monastery and the seventh century Justinian solidus coin.

Picture of JesusIn the 1930's, French Shroud scholar Paul Vignon described a series of common characteristics visible in many early artistic pictures of Jesus. The Vignon marking, as they are known, all appear on the Shroud suggesting that it is the source of later pictures of Jesus:
 

bullet A square U-shape between the eyebrows.
 
bullet A downward pointing triangle or V-shape just below the U-shape, on the bridge of the nose.
 
bullet Two wisps of hair going downward and then to the right.
 
bullet A raised right eyebrow.
 
bullet Large, seemingly "owlish" eyes. This may be the result of coins placed over the eyes.
 
bullet An accent on the left cheek and an accent on the right cheek that is somewhat lower.
 
bullet A forked beard. This may the result of a chin band tied around the head to keep the mouth closed.
 
bullet An enlarged left nostril.
 
bullet An accent line below the nose and a dark line just below the lower lip.
 
bullet A gap in the beard below the lower lip.
 
bullet Hair on one side of the head that is shorter than on the other side.

 

SHROUD STORY

26 posted on 02/12/2005 12:36:41 PM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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