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What to do includes clinging to the papacy as a full-time cripple, if medicine, which arrested death by only 10 minutes, can arrest death again for weeks and even months. But the progressive deterioration in the pope's health over the last several years confirms that there are yet things medical science can't do, and these include giving the pope the physical strength to coordinate and to use his voice intelligibly.

So, what is wrong with praying for his death? For relief from his manifest sufferings? And for the opportunity to pay honor to his legacy by turning to the responsibility of electing a successor to get on with John Paul's work?

It's called sanctity of life - even that of the crippled and suffering. There's zero evidence that the pope is senile. If the pope is comfortable with having the will to live and continue his work in spite of his sufferings, why is everyone else so UN-comfortable with it?

18 posted on 02/11/2005 10:44:47 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (This is my tagline.)
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Nice addendum to this story from today:


Pope misses Mass, says suffering helps save souls
11 Feb 2005 17:19:09 GMT

Source: Reuters

By Phil Stewart

VATICAN CITY, Feb 11 (Reuters) - Pope John Paul, still convalescing after 10 days in hospital, told the world's sick on Friday that their suffering was "precious", but did not deliver his message in person at a special service for sick people.

The 84-year-old Pontiff returned to the Vatican on Thursday evening after doctors decided he had recovered from an acute breathing crisis brought on by a bout of influenza.

But Vatican officials are taking no risks with his frail health and the Pope missed Friday's commemorative Mass, held to mark the day the Roman Catholic Church dedicates each year to sick people.

Instead, a senior Cardinal read the Pope's speech, which made no reference to his time in hospital.

"Your suffering is never useless, dear sick people. Moreover, it's a precious thing," the speech said. "If you bring together your suffering and pain, you can be his (God's) privileged helpers in the salvation of souls".

Besides his recent breathing problems, the Pope suffers from Parkinson's disease and severe arthritis.

He no longer walks, has difficulty speaking and his urgent admission to hospital raised fresh questions over how long he can remain head of the world's 1.1 billion Catholics.

In an apparent bid to allay fears about his health, John Paul was brought home from hospital in full public view, sitting in a brightly lit Popemobile for the five minute drive through Rome, which was broadcast live on Italian television.

To make the point that it was business as usual for the Vatican bureaucracy, the Holy See announced a flurry of appointments on Friday, including a successor to Paris Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger and posts in Mexico and Angola.

The Vatican has yet to say whether the Polish Pope will make his usual weekly blessing from his apartment windows on Sunday.

John Paul appeared at his hospital window last Sunday, speaking in a hoarse, barely audible voice that fuelled debate over whether he should resign.

Church law says a Pope can resign, but it is a rare event. The last Pope to resign willingly was Celestine V, who stepped down in 1294. Gregory XII reluctantly abdicated in 1415 when more than one Pope was reigning at the same time.

But the Pope's battle against illness and the weakness of the flesh is also seen as an inspiration by the faithful, even if the Pontiff cannot fully express himself verbally.

"The sick Pope is the icon of the suffering of humanity", Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone told ANSA news agency.

"There is a profound meaning in this event. The Pope ... shows his spiritual strength," Bertone said, adding that his struggle took on more meaning "in a society that increasingly values youth".


19 posted on 02/11/2005 10:47:17 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (This is my tagline.)
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Let's just play devil's advocate and say that the Pope is a senile old drooler, utterly incapable of doing anything for himself, and dying in complete misery. It's still a sin to pray for this man's death, and it reveals that you think that some people are inherently less human than others. Where do you draw the line? The senile? The handicapped? The unborn? This line of logic is the slippery slope that can only lead to eugenics.


20 posted on 02/11/2005 10:48:18 AM PST by Slagathor
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To: Rutles4Ever

Sanctity of life? The whole notion of sanctity of life is that God is the author of our lives- if God takes JP then it is his will. If God lets JP live, then that is also his will. Praying to GOD to allow JP to enter the Kingdom is a far cry from euthenasia. People seem to be so obsessed with death as if it were the end, where as Buckley and Catholics believe it to be the beginning...


35 posted on 02/11/2005 11:17:51 AM PST by Middle Aged White Male
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