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1 posted on 02/11/2005 10:28:25 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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Er... Ping?


2 posted on 02/11/2005 10:28:54 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (This is my tagline.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

He must have hit his head in the shower or something.


3 posted on 02/11/2005 10:29:14 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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So, what is wrong with praying for his death?

Did Buckley lose his mind?

4 posted on 02/11/2005 10:30:43 AM PST by Dog
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Hmm...First, marijuana legalization...Now, praying for the Pope's death.

Is WFB corresponding with Jack Kevorkian?

5 posted on 02/11/2005 10:30:55 AM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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He and Peggy Noonan must've gotten 'hold of some bad wine (or...in Peggy's case...whine).


6 posted on 02/11/2005 10:32:00 AM PST by WestTexasWend
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"Uh, this is William F. Buckley, uh....I've been taking peyote all morning and, uh....welcome to the home version of 'Crossfire.'"
7 posted on 02/11/2005 10:32:49 AM PST by atomicpossum (I am the Cat that walks by himself, and all places are alike to me.)
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Buckley should look at Andy Rooney and figure out what happens if you keep working as a media figure after you've gone senile.


8 posted on 02/11/2005 10:32:54 AM PST by Richard Kimball (It was a joke. You know, humor. Like the funny kind. Only different.)
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Sad to say, but I aggree. I don't wish death on the man in a malicious sense, but I don't think it is wrong to pray to offer a man rest and the transition into heaven.


9 posted on 02/11/2005 10:32:57 AM PST by Middle Aged White Male
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I guess I don't see what the problem is.


13 posted on 02/11/2005 10:36:08 AM PST by Sloth (I don't post a lot of the threads you read; I make a lot of the threads you read better.)
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I understand Buckley's desire that the Pope dies with the dignity he so well deserves, but sometimes you just shouldn't say certain things.


16 posted on 02/11/2005 10:39:39 AM PST by keats5
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The time is long past for William to change the oil in his hair.


17 posted on 02/11/2005 10:39:54 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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This is what happens when old writers live too long: they start to judge when it is right for others to die...


22 posted on 02/11/2005 10:52:36 AM PST by GRANGER (Must-issue states have safer streets.)
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Nah, I wasn't wondering, I was convinced that Buckley was a long time gone.


25 posted on 02/11/2005 10:55:41 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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Buckley is getting very old. He is pretty well retired now and it is clear why that is so. His prose has deteriorated, his organization is gone.

Sic transit gloria mundi


26 posted on 02/11/2005 10:56:42 AM PST by buwaya
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This is really sick. Although in charge, the Pope doesn't actually run the Vatican. The day to day matters can be run by multiple levels of administrators, as has always been done. If a doctrinal matter needs to be addressed and JP is truly incapacitated, it can be deferred and decided upon until he either recovers or dies, after which the new Pope can decide. There can only be one Pope. Some people seem overly eager to see either JP die or resign.


28 posted on 02/11/2005 11:02:59 AM PST by ValenB4
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Personally, I find your post title smug and offensive.

Buckley is the founder of the modern conservative movement, and one of the people who shaped the ideas and philosophy of a generation. He is one of the people who built the foundations of what would later become the Reagan revolution.

He is entitled to some respect from the people on this site.

I dont always agree with Bill, but he is entitled to his opinion, as are we all.

To characterize him as a senile, crack smoking, pot smoking, selfish old coot (did I miss anything) sounds like agitprop to me.

It sounds like the crap we see over on the leftist political cult site...Democratic Underground.

As far as Buckleys point...I believe you missed it. Once you go through the experience of watching a loved one go through the final death throes of a painfull terminal illness, maybe you will understand what Buckley is talking about.


39 posted on 02/11/2005 11:27:59 AM PST by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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When, in the middle of a long-night's party, one is heard to exclaim joy at another's leaving, the departed is either on a beer-run or is spoilimg the reveler's fun.


45 posted on 02/11/2005 11:45:59 AM PST by Old Professer (When the fear of dying no longer obtains no act is unimaginable.)
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All of Cuba watched on television, no doubt hoping, for an exhilarating moment, that Castro would melt away,

Castro did not melt and in fact immediately cracked down on the church more vigorously than before the pope's visit. So much for Papal Diplomacy.

Buckley should have kept his death prayers to himself. Come to think of it, maybe Buckley wants to die and is projecting his subconscious wishes on the pope, who clearly does not want to expire.

59 posted on 02/11/2005 12:23:54 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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I didn't sense the wickedness in this old Mr. Buckley's article that many others did, but instead only candor. It is plain to see that the church is suffering, in jarring dissonance with the challenges to be faced. He, like me, or at least I hope, wishes this good man well, but senses the urgency of vigorous and vibrant leadership, renewal.

One in every three babies born in France is a Muslim. Italy has 1.2 babies per couple; abortion and morning after pills are freely offered in Spain; gay marriage is a reality in many European countries, soon even in La Cattolicissima Espana.

In 30-50 years Belgium will be Belgiumstan, France will be 50% + Islamic, Sweden as well. In UK avowed satanists are allowed to become officers on warships; Dozens and dozens of churches in Italy and France and other places no longer have priests to officiate, some are being deconsecrated and turned into discos.

And meanwhile Italian Catholic churches distribute and share rainbow flags with No Globals and Red Peace demonstrators.

The situation of the Church in Europe is appalling. Catholicism, old and wonderful Catholicism, rich and brilliant Catholicism, the kind that could reach to peasants and scholars, the Catholicism of poetry and hard logic, work and prayer, celebration and piety, carnival and lent, the Catholicism of guidance, is decaying before our eyes.

Going to mass, well, at least here in Italy, has become a dreadful, uninteresting, anti-aesthetic, joyless bore, with nothing to kindle hope or spark enthusiasm, but plenty to allow one, already prejudiced by years of Gramscian propaganda to sense corruption, decay, weakness.

I'm not imagining firebrand demagogues or catchy drumbeats, I'm imagining arguments, words, mysteries, rituals, enthusiasm, meaningfulness, resurrection, the kind of Catholic Church that would make Chesterton proud, the same that allowed him to successfully answer the Shaws and Huxleys of his day... and even enthuse me, a half-dead Hudobna from torpor.

I realize it is hard to wish both things: health and nothing but well for a frail and aged Pope and yet a revival of Catholicism to face the REAL and impending disasters. One is the logical negation of the other. Logic is also the negation of God. Logic is also what has made euthanasia and abortion popular in Holland.

Probably Mr. Buckley's silence on the matter would've been the proper choice, but he's a journalist, a Catholic journalist, expressing the views of a great many alarmed and unhappy Catholics.

Some Catholics make a vow of silence, others, journalists make a vow of speech. Mr. Buckley's virtue is his sin and his sin is his virtue, and that is why he wished a good and peaceful death to a good and peaceful man as we go reeling towards a bad and violent future.


60 posted on 02/11/2005 12:24:54 PM PST by Hudobna
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I would hate to be the parents of many on this thread.


63 posted on 02/11/2005 12:46:06 PM PST by BellStar (Pray for our heroes...)
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