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Casting Questions Around 'The Black Dahlia'
Fox News ^ | Wednesday, February 09, 2005 | Roger Friedman

Posted on 02/09/2005 6:04:31 AM PST by Jay777

Brian De Palma Casts for 'Untouchables'

An inadvertent casting listing this week could have gotten famed director Brian De Palma in a lot of trouble.

De Palma and producer Art Linson — the men who gave us "The Untouchables" a decade ago — are casting a supporting role for their new film, "The Black Dahlia." Josh Hartnett, Scarlett Johansson and possibly Hilary Swank will play the leads.

But eyebrows were raised yesterday when DePalma and Linson sent out a casting call for a girl who looks 13 to play nude lesbian scenes in the movie.

The film is based on James Ellroy's novel, which was itself inspired by the very famous and very real 1947 Hollywood murder of 22-year-old Elizabeth Short, who was known in death as "the Black Dahlia."

Her naked body was found cut in half found by the side of a road, and the case was never solved.

In the casting notice from the Johanna Ray casting agency, De Palma and Linson were said to be scouting for a "Caucasian girl" who has a "street quality ... please submit young, unique and experienced girls."

The actress who lands the role of Linda Martin, her parents should know, will have two scenes. One of them will show Linda "naked in a lesbian porno film."

Although the notice insists that the young actress is not required to do anything that would give the film more than an R rating, the actress in question "should be completely comfortable with nudity."

Evidently, the nubile teens earlier submitted by managers to casting agent Johanna Ray didn't work out, since the new casting call warns: "Your previous submissions weren't young enough!"...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: blackdahlia; california; elizabethshort; georgehodel
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When I called to ask if the production company was serious, a worried casting associate told me: "We're not hiring anyone underage. But agents and managers were sending us girls in their 20s who looked too old. We want an 18- or 19-year-old who can play 13 or 14, not an actual 13-year-old."
1 posted on 02/09/2005 6:04:31 AM PST by Jay777
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To: Jay777

The suffering they endure for art. So brave, so heroic.


2 posted on 02/09/2005 6:10:04 AM PST by speedy
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Haven't' we had enough smut? Aren't we at the saturation point yet? Are there NO other possible film productions? Has the American audience NOT demonstrated what it would prefer?
3 posted on 02/09/2005 6:10:07 AM PST by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus to his sons)
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Aren't we at the saturation point yet?

Obviously and sadly not.

4 posted on 02/09/2005 6:12:14 AM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: SMARTY

It all started with "Lolita". At least on the subject of underage girls. It is strange how time changes the views of morals. My grandmother was married at 13! And that was normal back then. She said people started saying you would be an old maid if you were 16 and not married yet.


5 posted on 02/09/2005 6:13:34 AM PST by Jay777 (Gen. Tommy Franks for President in 08)
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When was it that the untalented DiPalma stopped casting the equally untalented Nancy Allen in all his movies.


6 posted on 02/09/2005 6:14:30 AM PST by martin_fierro (Fierro-san)
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To: SMARTY
Has the American audience NOT demonstrated what it would prefer?

Do not be fooled.
The Direcrors, Producers and Screen Actors Guild will tell us what we prefer.

7 posted on 02/09/2005 6:15:06 AM PST by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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A film about the true story of Elizabeth Smart might be gruesome, but would be much more acceptable than some porno garbage. There is no indication that she was a lesbian. The true story is one which grips the imagination and would make a great film noir.


8 posted on 02/09/2005 6:15:06 AM PST by CSXT
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The use of underaged or teenage lesbians within the story plot seems to associate with the name Hilary Swank. I'll note the movie "Boys Don't Cry" for consideration.


9 posted on 02/09/2005 6:26:58 AM PST by sully777 (It's like my momma always said, "Two wrongs don't make a right but two Wrights make an airplane.")
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Just finished Michael Medved's book Right Turns, loved it.

Apparently Hollywood is deluded and has been deluded for about thirty years that gross-out sex makes a successful film.

It's amazing how people can completely ignore reality.

Well, if you have piles of cash to throw away...and they do...


10 posted on 02/09/2005 6:39:25 AM PST by squarebarb
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I agree."The Black Dahlia" murder is a mystery that won't go away,and it would make a great movie.I've read some on the topic,and can't recall anything about lesbianism.Of course we can count on HWood to twist the facts to fit a politically correct agenda/ie she was murdered because she was a lesbian?Throw in a few steamy lesbian scenes....


11 posted on 02/09/2005 7:57:25 AM PST by thombo
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I think what is far worse than smut, is someone wanting to make a movie about a vicious murder.


12 posted on 02/09/2005 8:04:37 AM PST by stuartcr
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I have also read about this case and have never heard anything about underage lesbian porno in relation to the murder.

And Hillary Swank as Elizabeth Short?? What is that about??

13 posted on 02/09/2005 8:09:32 AM PST by retrokitten
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"Hillary Swank as Elizabeth Short?What is that about?"How about Sex Sells.As a mystery,the story could stand on it's own w/out any tweeking by HWood.But that's too much to expect from the lib elite in movie land.BTW Retrokitten,up till a couple yrs ago there were a couple informative sites on the web,and some bio on ES.


14 posted on 02/09/2005 8:52:25 AM PST by thombo
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How is this film going to be better than "True Confessions" (1981)? That film didn't need explicit sex scenes involving underage (looking) actresses.

Perhaps it's based on one of the latest books about the case ("Black Dahlia Avenger: The True Story" by Steve Hodel), in which the author implicates his own father as the murderer.

http://www.arcadepub.com/book/index.cfm?GCOI=55970100123490

Child actresses have played child prostitutes before - Brooke Shields in "Pretty Baby" and Jodie Foster in "Taxi Driver". If I remember correctly, Jodie's older sister was her body double in a few scenes. Both films were considered a bit scandalous at the time. Not saying DePalma is right, but precedents have already been set, unfortunately.


15 posted on 02/09/2005 8:57:24 AM PST by LibFreeOrDie (How do you spell dynasty? P-A-T-R-I-O-T-S!)
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Heck no. Hollywood must strive hard to satisfy its audience-
pedophiles and child sex slave traders. Hollywood it seems is trying to cash in on the illegal child porn market. Pedophiles often often force their victims to preform homosexual acts with another captive while they tape them. Hollywood is doing the same thing, but hide this little script within a script, and call it "legal". De Palma and Art Linson are sick, demented people.


16 posted on 02/09/2005 9:38:47 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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American theater goers MUST become much, much more pro active in their boycott of these kinds of films which make only a pretense, albeit a weak one, of mainstream entertainment. More and more you go to a film with the idea that you will be entertained, and instead you have smut and hare brained political hype (or worse) kicked in your face. It will never stop, until it no longer brings a profit for the producers. Well...cultural dissidence works, we know that!
17 posted on 02/09/2005 10:21:08 AM PST by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus to his sons)
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Better than Nicole Kidman kissing a real 10-year-old boy, though, right? Kinda?
 
I shake my head in Hollywood's general direction.
 
 
(It's the new crop of indies, too BTW:  Ten years later, the 'Kids' are definitely not alright (Hollywood downward spiral continues) ^  GAG!)

18 posted on 02/09/2005 10:41:31 AM PST by AnnaZ (Repent. The end is nigh.)
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OTOH, Michael jackson has got to look forward to something in prison, on cable.


19 posted on 02/09/2005 10:37:47 PM PST by sully777 (It's like my momma always said, "Two wrongs don't make a right but two Wrights make an airplane.")
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So who are you suggesting they cast as her abductor?

A film about the true story of Elizabeth Smart (sic) might be gruesome...

20 posted on 02/09/2005 10:44:06 PM PST by Ready4Freddy (Veni Vidi Velcro)
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