Posted on 01/28/2005 11:06:20 AM PST by kahoutek
Getting Real On Immigration Law Immigration: Is President Bush headed for a fight with members of his own party in Congress? Not if he's smart, and not if he has been listening to the people.
We refer, as one example, to the people of Arizona. In November, they passed a ballot initiative that requires proof of citizenship for voter registration. This week, the law went into effect after getting a green light from the Justice Department.
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Amen.
When IBD, a notoriously laissez faire minded publication, tells the Rovian / Norquistian orthodoxy that they are being too loose on immigration, it's a sign that said orthodoxy are figuratively and literally out in Left field.
From the article:
"Bush talks some about enforcing immigration laws, but mostly about reforming them through a guest-worker program. His stated priority, as he put it in Wednesday's press conference, is to help "people who are coming to our country to do jobs that Americans won't do, to be able to feed their families."
This sort of talk alarms those who take the problem of illegal immigration seriously. They wonder if the president is flashing a green light to migrants who'll flood across the border (with the support of Mexico's government) hoping for amnesty. Their fear is valid, since it flows from border-state experience. Bush needs to address it, and his fellow Republicans should not let a bill get by until he does.
Working with pro-enforcement Republicans, not against them, Bush still has the chance to put good law, real law, on the books."
A little background on "poor" Mexico.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0412/16/ldt.01.html
Aired 12/16/04 On CNN
DOBBS: Tonight, an estimated 15 million illegal aliens live in this country (20 million according to Bear Stearns report later that month), at least half of them from Mexico. Many are here because they chose to flee crushing poverty in Mexico.
But, in point of fact, Mexico is one of the richest countries in Latin America, amongst -- the millionaires, billionaires and its wealth concentrated in the hands of very few.
CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: They sneak across the border seeking jobs they can't find in Mexico. The question isn't why they come, it's why can't Mexico's economy support its own people.
Nearly half of Mexico's population lives in poverty. Ten percent are indigent, existing on a dollar a day. Yet the nation has vast wealth. Mexico has more "Forbes" billionaires, 11, than all but eight other nations. It has more billionaires than Saudi Arabia, Switzerland or Taiwan. It also has more than 85,000 millionaires.
GEORGE W. GRAYSON, COLLEGE OF WILLIAM & MARY: There is a small economic elite who live like maharajas, and there's a political elite that protects them. Our border provides an escape valve which really lets the Mexican political and economic elite off the hook in terms of providing opportunities for their own people.
WIAN (on camera): About 10 percent of Mexico's 105 million people live here in the United States. They're called national heroes by President Vicente Fox because this year they'll send home about $16 billion, more than any Mexican industry except oil.
Mexico's outdated tax system is plagued by widespread tax evasion. It collects taxes at less than half the rate of the United States. As a result, Mexico's public-school and health-care systems suffer.
WIAN: Meanwhile, the gap between rich and poor is growing. So Mexico continues to export one of its most valuable assets, people.
"An Opinion Research Corp. survey released last week showed the No. 1 priority of registered voters across the country is border defense and homeland security. It was – far and away – the top military or foreign priority for 43 percent of the respondents. A distant second, at 19 percent, was intelligence gathering. Just 17 percent thought international aid and diplomacy should be the nation's most important objective.
When voters were asked to choose their highest, second and third priorities from the list of issues, and their top choices were combined, defense of U.S. borders was the clear winner at 77 percent."
http://resultsforamerica.org/survey.html
I've never been a single-issue voter, and don't consider myself one now, but the immigration disaster has become so dire, I will not vote for a politician who refuses to work to curtail immigration. Period.
Good hit.
I've never been a single-issue voter, and don't consider myself one now, but the immigration disaster has become so dire, I will not vote for a politician who refuses to work to curtail immigration. Period.
This is a dirty little secret in the imm debate.
ping
I think this upcoming debate offers the chance to do some real reforms.
For example, we should make sure that guest worker visas are NOT CONVERTABLE to permanent status. (same as the I-94w visa waver program)
We should firm up the 1996 elimination of the anchor babies. (no dream act BS to bring back the anchor baby)
We should extend the duration of marriage for a spousal visa from two years to FIVE.
For those who become legal from being illegal, no citizenship application untill legal for at least TEN years not the current five.
The debate WILL happen, SOME KIND OF LAW will pass, we better use our newfound majority status to make sure the law that does happen is favorable to what we really want and realistic with the laws we have now.
Jan. 28, 2005 NEW POLL UP!
This poll refers to an ID # given by the IRS for Federal tax purposes only. At least 5 states are accepting this ID card to give social services, registering to vote, even sell property to Illegal Aliens. Financing institutions love it and make excuses that "it should be" legal.
Do you believe state governments should allow illegal aliens to use a federal identification number to obtain rights intended for U.S. citizens?
Yes 6% 156 votes
No 94% 2650 votes
Total: 2806 votes
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
The show will air again later, it's worth watching tonight!
the ID # ithe the tax ID number most people obtain for their small corporations.
It is conveniently the same amount of numbers as a ss#.
It should NOT be used as a personal ID.
Some immigration lawyers arrange a corporation for immigrant clients in order for the obtaining a tax ID number. The IRS should be inquiring as to the legal status of ALL get teh EID#.
Aired 1/28/05 LOU DOBBS CNN
DOBBS: Later here, Senator Dianne Feinstein will join me. She's proposed new legislation intended to hold the federal government responsible for the immigration crisis in this country -- at least part of it. Senator Feinstein will be our guest.
Some states in this country are allowing illegal aliens now to use a government identification number to obtain driver's licenses, voter identification cards and even home loans. These identification cards were created for use only by the Internal Revenue Service. Now some states are using those cards as a way to grant illegal aliens the benefits of U.S. citizenship.
CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Here in Milwaukee, Mitchell Bank is one of several Wisconsin banks where illegal aliens can get mortgages.
All it takes is an individual taxpayer identification number, an ITIN, given out by the Internal Revenue Service. That number is meant to collect income taxes from people without Social Security numbers.
But Wisconsin's Housing Authority is going a step further, letting illegal aliens use the number to get a mortgage. They say they're just serving a growing market.
ROMANS: Critics say the program rewards law breakers.
GLENN GROTHMAN, WISCONSIN STATE SENATE: It just makes a mockery of our laws, and it is an insult not only to American citizens, but it's an insult to the employees of our immigration service, and it's an insult to anybody who appears foolishly to try to wait patiently in line to come into this country legally.
ROMANS: The program is recognized by the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago who says most banks understand that illegal aliens are in a "peculiar position." Still, the IRS position is clear. The ITIN is to be used for tax purposes only. The IRS has issued at least seven million ITIN numbers since 1996. It was so nervous about abuse of the numbers, it's warned governors and state motor vehicle departments that ITINs were not designed to serve as personal identification and should not be used for driver's licenses.
Still, across this country, illegal aliens are using these cards, and at least five states are accepting them.
DOBBS: I'm all but speechless. The moronic posturing by people on this immigration crisis is just -- it's stunning. The mentality. I mean, how do you explain people sitting there in the Housing Authority basically postulating as if they were holding forth for a national policy and just ignoring a set of rules and laws and regulations that have been on the books for years.
ROMANS: Well, Lou, the press officer for WHEDA, the Wisconsin Housing Authority, told me he's as illegal as illegal aliens because when he was 7, he stole with his brother a candy bar. He broke a law. He's illegal. That's equivalent to this. He thinks that it's a reality, that there are 10 million illegal aliens in this country. It's a market that needs to be served.
DOBBS: And that's the kind of mentality that we're dealing with. Hard-working people in this country, many of them immigrants -- legal immigrants -- having to deal with this, and a government that is just seeing fit at the state and federal level to ignore the law and the wellbeing of the country.
That brings us to the subject of our poll tonight. The question is: Do you believe state governments should allow illegal aliens to use a government identification number to obtain rights intended for U.S. citizens? Yes or no. Cast your vote at loudobbs.com. We wouldn't blame you if you added a few comments in point of fact with that vote.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0501/28/ldt.01.html
Aired 1/28/05
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Do you believe state governments should allow illegal aliens to use a federal identification number to obtain rights intended for U.S. citizens?
Yes 7% 320 votes
No 93% 4485 votes
Total: 4805 votes
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
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