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Weyco fires 4 employees for refusing smoking test
AP ^ | 1-24-05

Posted on 01/24/2005 12:38:46 PM PST by Dan from Michigan

Weyco fires 4 employees for refusing smoking test
1/24/2005, 2:50 p.m. ET
The Associated Press

LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Four employees of Okemos-based health benefits administrator Weyco Inc. have been fired for refusing to take a test that would determine whether they smoke cigarettes.

The company instituted a policy on Jan. 1 that makes it a firing offense to smoke — even if done after business hours or at home, the Lansing State Journal reported Monday.

Weyco founder Howard Weyers said previously that he instituted the tough anti-smoking rule to shield his company from high health care costs.

"I don't want to pay for the results of smoking," he said.

The anti-smoking rule led one employee to quit work before the policy went into place. Since Jan. 1, four more people were shown the door when they balked at the anti-smoking test.

"They were terminated at that point," said Chief Financial Officer Gary Climes.

Even so, Weyco said, the policy has been successful. Climes estimated that about 18 to 20 of the company's 200 employers were smokers when the policy was announced in 2003.

Of those, as many as 14 quit smoking before the policy went into place. Weyco offered them smoking cessation help, Climes said.

"That is absolutely a victory," Climes said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: employmentatwill; freedomofcontract; health; puff; pufflist; smoke; weyco; wodlist; workplace
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I think the policy sucks(and I almost never smoke cigarettes), but it is a private company and they have right to dictate their own so I defend it on that basis.

If it's big government, then it's another story.

1 posted on 01/24/2005 12:38:49 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan

This will not last long. Those smokers will become rich. It's a legal product, used legally.


2 posted on 01/24/2005 12:39:54 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (GO PATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Dan from Michigan

I agree with all your points.


3 posted on 01/24/2005 12:40:18 PM PST by mlbford2 ("Never wrestle with a pig; you can't win, you just get filthy, and the pig loves it...")
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To: SheLion; Gabz

Ping


4 posted on 01/24/2005 12:41:09 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("We clearly screwed up on the communications," Detroit Mayor Kilpatrick - after caught in a lie.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Actually, whether public or private, no company has any legitimate power to control the lawful activities of any employee off-site and off company time.

This chap's asking for a lawsuit larger than he can afford. If MI's laws resemble MO's, this CEO has a MAJOR problem on his hands...or will shortly.

5 posted on 01/24/2005 12:42:32 PM PST by SAJ
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To: Dan from Michigan
Weyco founder Howard Weyers said previously that he instituted the tough anti-smoking rule to shield his company from high health care costs. "I don't want to pay for the results of smoking," he said.

I guess he would know.

Still, I can't support firing people for something they do away from the job.

6 posted on 01/24/2005 12:43:30 PM PST by Tall_Texan (Let's REALLY Split The Country! (http://righteverytime3.blogspot.com))
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To: Dan from Michigan

So should they be allowed to test for alcohol too? What if sex is shown to cause heart attacks can they command their employees to stop doing that too?

I can only HOPE that these folks take this company to the cleaners.

And let me clarify that I do not smoke.


7 posted on 01/24/2005 12:43:48 PM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Those smokers aren't going to become rich off of being fired for refusing to comply with a private companies policy... Only check they can get is Unemployment.

More companies are going to do this... and as much as smokers don't like it, its reality.


8 posted on 01/24/2005 12:43:50 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Dan from Michigan

Should the company also be allowed to bar people from having sex because maternity leave is so expensive to the bottom line?


9 posted on 01/24/2005 12:44:14 PM PST by Tarpaulin (Look it up.)
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To: SAJ

Absolutely false!

You can be fired for engaging in lawful activity in your personal life outside of work hours... whoever told you that lie, doesn't know what they are talking about.


10 posted on 01/24/2005 12:44:41 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Dan from Michigan

Will they fire all of the fat employees?


11 posted on 01/24/2005 12:44:47 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: Bikers4Bush

I just say that this "This company isn't worth my business".


12 posted on 01/24/2005 12:45:01 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("We clearly screwed up on the communications," Detroit Mayor Kilpatrick - after caught in a lie.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
It's a legal product, used legally.

There have been companies like this for over a decade. While your point is well taken, what have been the lawsuit results against a private company?

13 posted on 01/24/2005 12:45:56 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Dan from Michigan

I wonder if they drug test.


14 posted on 01/24/2005 12:45:56 PM PST by Pest (My reality check bounced!)
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To: Dan from Michigan

I don't think I would want to want to work for such a company. But I agree that they can do whatever they want to do.


15 posted on 01/24/2005 12:46:05 PM PST by WHBates
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To: Dan from Michigan

They're within their rights but it's still outrageous. Workers should have their free time and their privacy.


16 posted on 01/24/2005 12:46:17 PM PST by withteeth
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To: Dan from Michigan

I don't blame them for trying to reduce health care costs. I wonder if they ban other practices that cause increased health care costs. Maybe something like risky sexual behavior?


17 posted on 01/24/2005 12:46:32 PM PST by FreePaul
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To: Bikers4Bush

I hope they start walking to work, too. Cars kill and maim at a higher rate, I believe.


18 posted on 01/24/2005 12:46:55 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: SAJ
...no company has any legitimate power to control the lawful activities of any employee off-site and off company time.

I agree. They should simply be barred from the company's health insurance policy. As long as the company is paying for their health benefits, I'd say they have a right to address an employee's health.

19 posted on 01/24/2005 12:47:41 PM PST by TChris (Most people's capability for inference is severely overestimated)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

My daughter-in-law had to drop out of the running for a job at Alaska Airlines becuase she smokes. They taka a drug test and if you have smoked in the last six months it is expected to show up. They ask you if you smoke. If you say yes, you are out - no exceptions.

This job was a tremendous opportunity for her and she has discovered just how much smoking can really "cost."

Alaska gets massive reductions in health care costs by not hiring smokers. If only there was a "fast food" test. They'd save even more. 8^>


20 posted on 01/24/2005 12:48:34 PM PST by RobRoy
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