Posted on 01/19/2005 12:26:29 PM PST by Palladin
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/047.qmt.html
047.004
YUSUFALI: Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight),
PICKTHAL: Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve,
SHAKIR: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve,
http://www.submission.org/suras/sura47.html
If you encounter (in war) those who disbelieve,
in fight, in battle, in battle, in war ...
It appears that the translation and interpretation of the Koran by the Iman that YOU choose is the same one the bastards who have done this have chosen in an attempt to rationalize THEIR positions.
You bet, I will post it on FR.
Yesterday's news.
re: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1322201/posts
No Jihad or Islamic attachment.
According to the paper (NY Daily News or NY Post) it wasa suicide.
A 50 year old gentleman with an Eastern European last name tied a rope to a pole, then around his neck while he was sitting in his car. He gave it some gas and his head popped right off.
The suicide theory was supported by notes at the scene, as wll as family and friends who were interviewed.
Oh, I know that. But check out the thread. They were ready to hang every Muslim or person who had that "appearance" ... without waiting for the truth.
You understand the "plight" of the Muslim citizens, yet you don't understand the anger of other American citizens, I don't understand.
I am not saying whether they are right or wrong, BUT Americans do have the right to be angry over what happened on 9/11, just as Jewish people have the right to be angry at Germans for the Holocaust. It's a HUMAN reaction and humans are not perfect.
Before you ask, I'll do the whole list:
1. Palestinians have the right to be angry at the Israelis (although the British had more to do with their situation);
2. Native Americans, and other aboriginal peoples throughout the world have the right to be angry at whatever colonial power subjugated them;
3. Ulster Catholics have the right to be angry with Ulster Protestants (although British influence created the situation here, too);
Do you get my drift?
However, being angry does not give ANYONE the right to assassinate, murder , terrorize, etc., their foe.
"No Jihad or Islamic attachment."
Don't you mean No Jihad or Islamic DEtachment ? :-)
This was a random robbery
/msm and the police
Had to try out my new tag...
It sure would help.
New Details Revealed About the Murders:
Armanious' body was found in a large bedroom in the family's Oakland Avenue home, while his wife's body was in the next room, according to the prosecutor's office.
The couple's older daughter, Sylvia, who would have turned 16 last Saturday, was found in the children's bedroom, while her 8-year-old sister's body was in the bathroom. Investigators have said that the killers broke through the door of the bathroom, where the younger child apparently had locked herself in.
Each victim had been bound and gagged and stabbed in the throat. They suffered other wounds, but none that would have killed them, according to the prosecutor's description.
As investigators searched for clues yesterday, leaders of Jersey City's Coptic community attempted to defuse tensions that sparked several scuffles at Monday's funeral services, when some mourners blamed the killings on Muslims.
"It's not doing anyone any good for us or the media to make these judgments without any evidence," said Emad Attaalla, a deacon at St. George and St. Shenouda Coptic Orthodox Church, where the family had been members.
"We need to let the police do their job and stop rushing to conclusions," added Attaalla, whose daughter was best friends with Sylvia Armanious.
"One day, they say this; one day, they say that," said the Rev. David Bebawy of St. George and St. Shenouda. "We are waiting. We don't know what's the reality."
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/base/news-8/1106117460288930.xml
I love this quote from the Prosecutor's Offuce:
[B]In response to widespread speculation that the crime stemmed from religious fanaticism, the Hudson County Prosecutor's Office noted that the killers left behind no hate messages, nor did they desecrate Coptic Christian artifacts that belonged to the family.[/B]
DOH! What about four bodies with slit throats? That's not a hate message in itself?
At whom do you think Americans have the "right" to vent their spleen?
And no, Jews do not have the "right" to be angry at Germans - they have the "right" to be angry at Nazis.
WHO do you think?
Yes the Jews do have the right to be angry at the Germans, because the Nazi sperpetrated the crimes, but those whostayed silent were complicit in it.
Why don't you think they do?
You're fond of quoting the German Lutheran Rev.(don't recall the name right now) when he spoke about the complicity of his fellow citizens.
Before you start, NO they haven't started coming for the Muslims in America yet, however, the Muslim terrorists have started coming for those they see as infidels.
Horse droppings.
2003: 155 anti-muslim crimes
2002: 170 anti-Muslim crimes
2001: 546 anti-Muslim crimes
And so forth. Back in that other 1300+ post thread, somewhere, there were links to a FBI or DOJ newsletter with descriptions of these incidents. Fortunately, the rate (incidents per year) is going down.
But I don't hear a whole lot of condemnation... Indeed, all I hear is approval of the idea.
Protesters Accuse Bush of 'Exterminating the Muslim Race'
dirtbiker: "I see no problem with this......"
Lurker: "We should be so lucky."
montag813: "we get to enjoy the site of hundreds of Muslims trampling each other to death"
meandog: "I would hope that they are made to bite down on pig entrails on their way to meet their perverted prophet (may piss be upon his name)."
Were the crimes sanctioned by the Government?
The numbers are DECREASING each year, 2001 was a "special" year in case you didn't notice.
How many were "Muslim on Muslim"?
How many "Muslim on Jew/Christian/non-Muslim" crimes?
I saved the best for last:
Anti-Muslim crimes by Americans (?) since 2001: 871
Anti-American crimes by Muslims since 2001: 3000 DEAD, THOUSANDS injured on 9/11/01
Were you born a Muslim or did you convert? Your zealotry seems to indicate a convert.
TROLL.
Jews DO have the right to be angry at those who watched the horror and did nothing. But of course, the rights of Jews don't usually concern islamic apologists.
And Americans have the right to be angry at Muslims for 9/11.
Bigots do contend that American Moslems should be punished for AlQueda, and attack anyone who says otherwise.
Wiser people decided to punish AlQueda, fortunately for the country.
He's a big islamic troll. On the thread about the Berkeley rally anti-terror rally he insinuated that the anti-terror rally was "anti-muslim". Why? Because the organizers had the audacity to bring a bombed out bus?
I fear the Armanious Family and their terrible deaths will be soon forgotten by MSM, while we see more articles about the Religion of Peace and how offended they are to be suspects.
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