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Divided Iraq Faces All-Out Civil War
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 1-16-2005 | Colin Freeman/Aqeel Hussein

Posted on 01/15/2005 8:05:11 PM PST by blam

Divided Iraq faces all-out civil war

By Colin Freeman and Aqeel Hussein in Baghdad
(Filed: 16/01/2005)

In a land where almost everyone has a horror story to tell, Jassem Aziz's experience of Sunni violence against Shias is particularly grisly. He holds back tears as he talks of how his cousin, Ahmed al-Bahadli, was murdered 10 days ago.

Iraqi insurgents in Baghdad

A Shia Muslim from the Sadr City slums of Baghdad, Ahmed had joined the new Iraqi National Guard, only to be killed in his patrol car when a bomb planted by insurgents exploded.

The next day, as his family took his coffin for burial in the holy Shia city of Najaf, 100 miles south of Baghdad, they were stopped at what purported to be a police checkpoint near the town of Iskandaria and ordered out of their minibus.

Insurgents wearing fake police uniforms shot and beheaded six of the mourners, including Ahmed's mother. Then they ripped Ahmed's body out of the coffin and decapitated him too.

"We found their bodies and heads scattered under some trees near the road," said Mr Aziz, who was travelling in a car behind and managed to flee. "It is too terrible to think about."

While the west has largely focused on violence against coalition forces, the depth of hatred for fellow Iraqis which spares no quarter for the bereaved or dead runs deep through the Sunni towns along the road to Najaf. Coalition forces know the area as the "Triangle of Death" but it is becoming no less lethal to Iraqi Shias. The towns are strongholds of Salafism, a form of Sunni Islam which despises Shias for revering Imam Ali, the son-in-law of the prophet Mohammed.

Salafist-led insurgents have been linked to the murders of scores of Shia pilgrims in the past year. The campaign has attracted little publicity but fears are growing that it is among the first skirmishes of Iraq's much-feared civil war.

Under Saddam, himself a Sunni, Shias were persecuted as official policy. Now that he has gone, Sunni citizens are doing it themselves. Of the country's 20 million population, 60-65 per cent are Shia, 19 per cent are Sunni Kurds and 13 per cent Sunni Arab.

Moderate religious leaders, including Iraq's most senior Shia cleric, Grand Ayatollah Sistani, have attempted to calm potential conflict, blaming the killings on "criminals and foreigners". Only yesterday, however, an extremist Sunni group claimed responsibility for the murder of one of the ayatollah's aides, his son and four guards in a car bombing last Wednesday.

Mr Aziz, and many Shi'ites from the al-Bahadli tribe, crave vengeance for their suffering. "We don't know who the culprits are exactly, but we shall take revenge on all the Salafists in Iskandaria," he said. "The government, the religious people such as Sistani and the coalition forces will not stop us killing them."

The radical Shia cleric, Moqtada al-Sadr, whose Mehdi street army fought with US forces last year in Najaf, recently vowed to send militiamen into Iskandaria if more Shia blood was spilt.

With the elections scheduled for January 30 likely to hand power to the majority Shias for the first time in almost 100 years, an explosive mixture of historic political feuds and prejudices as well as jousting for power, threatens to rip Iraq apart.

Many Iraqis believe that a Sunni-Shia conflict is already being fought by proxy, citing the attacks on Iraqi security forces, and Iraqis working with the US-backed government. Shias make up the majority of the new police and army recruits. "The Sunnis are attacking us for two reasons," said one Iraqi military official. "It is because they don't like people working with the Americans, but also they don't care when it is mainly Shias getting killed."

Within Iraq, election manifestos produced by Shia and Sunni candidates stress the importance of putting the interests of Iraq first; those of factional interests second.

Away from the sensitive political arena, however, analysis is franker.

Lakhdar Brahimi, the former UN envoy, Gen John Abizaid, the senior Pentagon commander in Iraq, and several CIA officials have warned of the threat of civil war.

Last month, Brent Scowcroft, a national security adviser to President Bush Snr, said that elections likely to be boycotted by most of Iraq's Sunnis were a recipe for "incipient civil war".

In response, British diplomats said that such predictions were ''very overdone''.

One senior British official said: "If there is one thing the Iraqis say they do not want to see, it is a descent into sectarian strife.''

He said that efforts by Sunnis to provoke Shias - including car bombs last month in the holy cities of Najaf and Kerbala that killed 62 - had not worked as they hoped.

Instead, Shias were keen to prove that their expected majority in the new government would not come at Sunni or Kurdish expense. "The idea that the Shias are a monolithic block who are going to turn the country into some kind of Khomeini-like theocracy is simply not true," said the official.

On the streets of Baghdad, voters believe that politicians are reluctant to talk about civil war in case they are labelled troublemakers. "I am sure that civil war with the Sunni Salafists will happen eventually," said Jameel Alaan, a member of the Shia Dawa party. "All the good people are leaving now. But who will say this? Nobody."


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1 posted on 01/15/2005 8:05:12 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

The Telegraph has had a good reputation over the years. I'm not sure why they are printing this very negative stories, why they are allowing someone named Aqeel Hussein to co-write this piece, or why they are printing a photograph by Reuters in which the photographer, as has so often happened this past year, clearly is working in collaboration with the enemy in order to get pictures of this kind.

I don't remember British or American photographers snapping heroic pictures of the Waffen SS during World War II while they went about their murderous work.


2 posted on 01/15/2005 8:14:30 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: blam

Really, really bad news because we were hoping that free elections would stabilze Iraq. Most Freepers may just write this report off as coming from the U.K., and, afterall, it is The Telegraph. Cough, cough, sound of clearing my throat! Of course, I perceived this type of political instability and the looming threat of civil war over two years ago. But nobody cares what I think anyway. Whatever . . . Nada por nada.


3 posted on 01/15/2005 8:15:25 PM PST by ex-Texan (Si triste trop mauvais. Revoyez-vous !)
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To: ex-Texan
This terrorist insurgency is doomed to fail and it will be crushed for the following reasons:

it is supported only by a minority among the Sunni Iraqis Arabs who themselves are a minority in the general population to begin with.

It does not have the geographical depth, it is only concentrated in the central part of Iraq.

It does not have an organized leadership.

It does not have any defined goals beside just killing Americans and Iraqis. Twenty or thirty thousand terrorist cannot and will not beat the American military, the mightiest military in history of mankind.

We are winning this war on Iraq and we will defeat this terrorist insurgency. We will win the war on terror.

4 posted on 01/15/2005 8:24:58 PM PST by jveritas
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To: blam


Note to Defense Dept: If not already on target list, please add immediately. Thank you. Keep up the great work.
5 posted on 01/15/2005 8:25:18 PM PST by Chummy (Liberals -- the other Red meat.)
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To: blam
civil war

Does that mean that they will shooting at each other, and blowing each other up instead of shooting at us, and blowing us up?

I don't see the downside to this--as long as we aren't in the middle of it.

6 posted on 01/15/2005 8:25:33 PM PST by Coyoteman
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To: jveritas
it is supported only by a minority...

It does not have the geographical depth...

It does not have an organized leadership.

It does not have any defined goals...



Sounds sorta like the Dems, doesn't it?
7 posted on 01/15/2005 8:26:51 PM PST by Chummy (Liberals -- the other Red meat.)
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To: Chummy

And the Dems are losers. You got it my fellow freeper.


8 posted on 01/15/2005 8:29:00 PM PST by jveritas
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To: jveritas
I hope you are correct. Really, really, I do. But I fear that Syria, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and all the other Arab states are supporting civil war in Iraq with major money contributions and volunteers to fight. I simply do not think western thinking can penetrate the thinking of people who will squat in the sand and dicker for hours over the sale of a few camels.

E.g. I saw the DVD "Control Room" about Al Jazeera controversial reporting. I was surprised by how all the Arab reporters were opposed to democracy generally. They seem to be unable to think in terms of democratic reforms in the region. Most would gladly give way to Bathist (Nazi) Party Leadership because they would then have no political reponsibility for what happens.

9 posted on 01/15/2005 8:38:55 PM PST by ex-Texan (Si triste trop mauvais. Revoyez-vous !)
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To: ex-Texan
Of the country's 20 million population, 60-65 per cent are Shia, 19 per cent are Sunni Kurds and 13 per cent Sunni Arab.

Do the math. 13% versus 85% doesn't equal a civil war -- what it equals is a Sunni suicide pact.

10 posted on 01/15/2005 9:08:38 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: blam
"Civil War"??

If the seeds of liberty, freedom, and conviction don't adequately sprout after all the babying, than it's the fault of the Iraqi people.

11 posted on 01/15/2005 9:15:43 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: ex-Texan

Media B.S. Was reading www.iraqthemodel.blogspot.com (couple of Iraqi guys in Bagdad), the other day, and they brought up a good point. There are many Sunnis on the ballot. If Sunnis really were going to boycott the election or start a civil war, none would be running for elected office. And even if perhaps just the Sunnis who are running were willing to work with the new gov't and all others weren't, why would any of them waste the time to run if they thought they would have no Sunni support?

As horrid as the news always sounds, far fewer Iraqis are dying now than when Hussein was around. Only four provinces out of the entire country are suffering significantly from terrorism, which would make one think that there are not enough martyrs to go around. It will work out, but there is always a price to pay for freedom.


12 posted on 01/15/2005 9:25:21 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soilent green is made from liberals...)
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To: blam
Iraq is an artificial country, created by the British with a crayon and a map out of the defeated Ottoman Empire post World War I. The (previous) Turkish rulers treated it as three separate provinces: Mosul in the Kurdish north, Baghdad in the Sunni center, and Basra in the Shiite south. Like other artificial (and multi-cultural) states it has been held together only by authoritarian government.

These three groups will find their own equilibrium, either separately or in some loose confederation. If there is civil war, it will certainly not be our fault. One could better blame it on long-dead Englishmen who pretended that it was a unitary state.

13 posted on 01/15/2005 9:25:56 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: blam


What animals open a coffin to decapitate a corpse? I mean, what's the point?

That's supposed to scare someone?

We should have flattened Falluja from 30,000 feet with B52s.

Then moved on to Tikrit.


14 posted on 01/15/2005 9:35:24 PM PST by Malsua
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To: Malesherbes

I believe it was an Englishwoman...


15 posted on 01/15/2005 9:49:57 PM PST by plenipotentiary (AKA ABrit)
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To: teenyelliott

There you go again Teen! Robbing everyone of all the fun! What are those poor Euro-trash journalists going to to after you've pulled their covers?


16 posted on 01/15/2005 9:56:08 PM PST by CBart95
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To: blam
Why not let the Shia take power and go 'scorched earth' against the Suni? Strongest people win, and we get the hell out.
17 posted on 01/15/2005 9:59:23 PM PST by KoRn
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To: blam

bttt


18 posted on 01/15/2005 10:01:48 PM PST by txhurl
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To: teenyelliott

All excellent points! BTW, glad to see that you read,"Iraq The Model.com. Very informative and encouraging blog.imho.


19 posted on 01/15/2005 10:11:27 PM PST by Lady In Blue ( President 'SEABISCUIT' AKA George W Bush)
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To: ex-Texan

The same was said after World War II. Let's hope your predictions are also incorrect.


20 posted on 01/15/2005 10:14:51 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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