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I just heard on Dobbs that Duncan Hunter took a "group" of other congressmen on a tour of the border. They're getting serious about this. There's a new poll up as well.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

Do you believe legalizing illegal workers will take pressure off U.S. borders, as President Bush suggests?

Yes 4%

No 96%

1 posted on 01/13/2005 4:39:06 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage
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2 posted on 01/13/2005 4:41:15 PM PST by gubamyster
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Gompers, Samuel - (founder and pres. of AFL, an immigrant)

"America must not be overwhelmed. Every effort to enact immigration legislation must expect to meet a number of hostile forces and, in particular, two hostile forces of considerable strength. One of these is composed of corporation employers who desire to employ physical strength (broad backs) at the lowest possible wage and who prefer a rapidly revolving labor supply at low wages to a regular supply of American wage earners at fair wages. The other is composed of racial groups in the United States who oppose all restrictive legislation because they want the doors left open for an influx of their countrymen regardless of the menace to the people of their adopted country."
(Letter to Congress, March 19, 1924)


3 posted on 01/13/2005 4:41:49 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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Bush is out to lunch on the Immigration problem.

I think El Zorro (the Fox) needs to get real and stop them on his side.


4 posted on 01/13/2005 4:42:43 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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After spending several years starting oil exploration crews for Pemex and re-reading Atlas Shrugged, I think I have The reason Mexico has become so bad.

I like the Mexican people in the fly over parts of Mexico. The mid level and workers of Pemex are good. It is the government and the high up in Pemex that are the vultures and looters. The peso was about 8 cents (12.5 to a dollar). When Pemex found the sito grande, a very large oil pool that covers parts of the states of Chiapas and Tabasco also a long ways into the Gulf of Mexico.

Pemex borrowed billions to produce this great oil find. The looters (government) stole most of the money and what they did buy was junk oil rigs and drill pipe, etc. 1,000 pesos which was worth about $80 now will not buy a coke. This was due to the looters stealing billions from the Mexican people.

Instead of overthrowing the looters the Mexican people had an out, they had no weapons and they could cross into America and have a much safer life. This hurts both Mexico and America as Mexico lost some of it's hardest workers. The gangbangers also came over from Mexico as they could rape and pillage at will.

The government of Mexico is propped up by the billions sent back by the illegals and by our government having borders that are too open.

The only chance I see to help America and Mexico is to seal the border, deport the people who are not here legaly. We also need to arm the Mexican people so they can have a chance against the looters with their armies.


6 posted on 01/13/2005 4:44:33 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (expert, break it down, ex = has been, spurt = drip under pressure.)
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Do you believe legalizing illegal workers will take pressure off U.S. borders, as President Bush suggests?

Yes 5% 164 votes

No 95% 3211 votes

Total: 3375 votes

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/


13 posted on 01/13/2005 5:26:16 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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I simply do not understand the silence from the fully segregated, step-n-fetchit, colored only Congressional Black Caucus on this issue. If we lost five million illegal Mexican river swimming criminals, thousand to millions of blacks would become employable. Sure, wages might rise and things like transportation added to employer costs, but it would mean jobs for blacks.

Maybe, the CBC wants to keep the field hands dependent on them and doesn't want them to have jobs and economic independence. Even union silence is baffling. Endless numbers of Mexican criminals keeps the wage floor low. Ceasation and reversal of Mexican labor would inexorably raise US wage levels. Back in the late '90s, Taco Bell was advertising at $10/hour for "no experience."

Just a mention of the word "amnesty" by BUsh starts another million criminals heading north. Amensty does NOTHING to solve ANY of our problems.

15 posted on 01/13/2005 5:41:19 PM PST by Tacis (Democrats! - When You Need America Blamed Or A Pool Peed In!!)
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I just heard on Dobbs that Duncan Hunter took a "group" of other congressmen on a tour of the border. They're getting serious about this.

That's great news --- many people are completely ignorant on how bad things are --- they've never taken a tour of the slums of Mexico or Ciudad Juarez --- they have no clue at all ---- they want to Mexicanize the USA without knowing what that really means.

17 posted on 01/13/2005 6:14:00 PM PST by FITZ
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If we reward law breakers by granting them amnesty, they will keep breaking laws because they will have NO respect or fear for the rest of our laws. It's a bad message to send to our kids. How can we tell them that they have to obey the law, when we reward illegals for breaking them? Law breakers need to be punished.

That said, If our so called "law makers" don't enforce the laws of the land they need to be impeached for dereliction of duty, and treason. We need to get the paper work ready to impeach ALL of those who don't enforce our immigration laws!! It would be so rewarding to pop them as soon as the vote is taken. LOL Can we do that?

21 posted on 01/13/2005 7:17:30 PM PST by NRA2BFree (Before and after pictures of the tsunami: http://homepage.mac.com/demark/tsunami/9.html)
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bttt


26 posted on 01/13/2005 8:02:20 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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