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Officials: U.S. submarine hit undersea mountain
CNN ^ | January 10, 2005 | Mike Mount

Posted on 01/10/2005 3:04:10 PM PST by holymoly

USS San FranciscoWASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Navy submarine accident that killed one sailor and injured 24 others occurred when the vessel -- traveling at high speed -- hit an undersea mountain head-on, Pentagon officials said Monday.

Saturday's accident caused part of the sonar dome, which is part of the submarine's nose, to flood, officials said.

The commander of the USS San Francisco, Kevin Mooney, has not been relieved of duty while the investigation of the accident continues.

Mooney could be relieved of duty if officials determine there is enough evidence that the accident could have been averted.

The investigation will look at the sub's speed, its location and whether the undersea formation was on navigational charts, officials said.

The submarine was traveling in excess of 30 knots -- about 35 mph -- when its nose hit the undersea formation head-on, officials said.

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KEYWORDS: 688; collide; collision; conspiracy; damage; injury; losangelesclass; ssn; submarine; usn; usssanfrancisco
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1 posted on 01/10/2005 3:04:13 PM PST by holymoly
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To: holymoly
The commander of the USS San Francisco, Kevin Mooney, has not been relieved of duty while the investigation of the accident continues.

He will be.
2 posted on 01/10/2005 3:06:20 PM PST by wolfpat
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To: holymoly

Luckily there were not more injuries after hitting head on


3 posted on 01/10/2005 3:06:28 PM PST by boxerblues
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To: holymoly

How does this happen?


4 posted on 01/10/2005 3:08:59 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: holymoly

Gee, as expensive as that submarine has to be, you'd think they would have equipped it with sonar. </sarcasm>


5 posted on 01/10/2005 3:10:48 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: holymoly
The investigation will look at the sub's speed, its location and whether the undersea formation was on navigational charts, officials said.
. . . and if that formation was not on the charts, who is responsible for that??

Seems like existing radar technology allows the mapping of the sea floor from space.


6 posted on 01/10/2005 3:12:53 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: nuconvert

We had a long thread on this the other day. In that part of the world, undersea mountains literally rise up overnight because of volcanic activity. So the mountain might not have been on a chart.

Even so it does seem a little odd that none of the navigation systems (or their monitors) caught this, but then, I don't know a single thing about navigation systems on a sub, so perhaps there's an explanation for it.


7 posted on 01/10/2005 3:12:55 PM PST by livius
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To: holymoly

A 30+ knot head-on collision - it's a miracle, and a testament to the seamanship of the crew, that the boat waasn't lost with all hands. The CO will soon be looking for other work at best, and may be facing a court martial at worst.


8 posted on 01/10/2005 3:13:03 PM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: holymoly

The mountain did a Crazy Ivan.


9 posted on 01/10/2005 3:13:13 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: nuconvert
Dirty windshield?

/humor

10 posted on 01/10/2005 3:13:21 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If Islam is a religion of peace they better fire their PR guy!)
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To: holymoly

Was the mountain there prior to the recene tsunami ?


11 posted on 01/10/2005 3:14:46 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (The Progrossive Democrats are never so small a minority that they can't screw every thing up.)
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To: livius

"seem a little odd that none of the navigation systems (or their monitors) caught this,"

Well, I'm wondering if everyone was on a coffee break or asleep?


12 posted on 01/10/2005 3:15:54 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
you'd think they would have equipped it with sonar. </sarcasm>
. . . but then, since the whole idea of a submarine is to evade detection, and since active sonar announces your location, maybe there could be a reason not to operate it.

13 posted on 01/10/2005 3:16:02 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: holymoly
U.S. submarine hit undersea mountain

Darn that Mapquest.

14 posted on 01/10/2005 3:16:12 PM PST by rhombus
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
and if that formation was not on the charts, who is responsible for that??

Depends if he was off course and outside recognised sea lanes. Subs just dont run at 40 knots in unchartered waters.

15 posted on 01/10/2005 3:17:11 PM PST by dwilli
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To: Deaf Smith
'The mountain did a Crazy Ivan.'

Can a 9.0 or 9.1 earthquake cause a mountain to do this?
16 posted on 01/10/2005 3:17:39 PM PST by BabsC
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To: livius

"...on a chart..."

Aren't they doing real-time mapping and navigation, these days, l?


17 posted on 01/10/2005 3:19:03 PM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: holymoly
Okay, I can't pass this up.

Here's a submarine (a long, phallic-shaped structure), full of seamen, named the "San Francisco" and commanded by a Mooney, rams a mountain "head on."

What's the odds?

18 posted on 01/10/2005 3:19:35 PM PST by A2J (Oh, I wish I was in Dixie...)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
. . . but then, since the whole idea of a submarine is to evade detection, and since active sonar announces your location, maybe there could be a reason not to operate it.

I wonder how deep he was? I also wonder how deep you have to be to run at 30 knots without cavitation?
19 posted on 01/10/2005 3:22:10 PM PST by holymoly (I'm not a Tyrant, but I play one on Free Republic.)
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To: K4Harty

I don't think it was a problem with a dirty windshield. The Navy pays a fortune on windshield wipers. It might be that the squirter thingy ran out of fluid. Happens a lot this time of year.


20 posted on 01/10/2005 3:22:15 PM PST by Billthedrill
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